[INDOLOGY] About Godwin

Dean Michael Anderson eastwestcultural at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 30 17:43:50 UTC 2019

 Thanks all.

    On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr> wrote:  
yes, precisely so
IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole", "bastard", etc.
The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the other set is usually not accepted.
Best regards

 Le 30/06/2019 à 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a écrit :
Dear Dean, 
  It's a reference to Godwin's law, "if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds".  
  On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com> wrote:
   Could you please clarify your point for us who are Godwin-deprived? 
      On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
  Le 30/06/2019 à 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info a écrit :
  > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600
  > From: Patricia Sauthoff<sauthoff at ualberta.ca>
  > To: Indology<indology at list.indology.info>
  > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public
  > Message-ID:
  >     <CAPAr6cGGK1NkzM0eetnNrjGgCSc0A-OhcWGsa2ZqPW17xi0axQ at mail.gmail.com>
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  > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the far-right,
  >  you may
  > enjoy reading this short article
  > http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/,
  > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling and gaslighting,
  > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech issue.
  > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this and it is a
  > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is meant to bait those
  > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their words around
  > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me.
  > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller
  > <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/pamela-geller>
  > and Robert Spencer
  > <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/robert-spencer>
  > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is a dog whistle.
  > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right
  > anti-Muslim activists.
  > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism. A security
  > guard was shot
  > <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/us/gunmen-killed-after-firing-on-anti-islam-groups-event.html>
  > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to the person who
  > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed.
  > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers
  >  were cited for their
  > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian terrorist
  > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll remember the
  > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers on an island by
  > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto
  > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Manifesto:_2083:_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence>
  > is
  > now canon among the violent far-right
  > as it lays out tactics and strategies
  > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The Austrailian-born
  > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in his own
  > manifesto.
  > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right
  >  is its penchant for
  > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently an online
  > publication
  > <https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/11/intellectual-dark-web-quillette-claire-lehmann-221917>
  > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to be connected to
  > the anti-fascist movement
  > <https://www.cjr.org/analysis/quillette-antifa-journalist-smear-campaign.php>.
  > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist forum
  > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a YouTube user
  > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with images of the
  > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the Media.?"
  > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just words afterall. I
  > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their own list of
  > targets, i.e., some of us.
  yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right" should rather 
  create their own list somewhere else.
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    Patricia Sauthoff
 Postdoctoral Fellow
 Department of History and Classics
 University of Alberta
 Edmonton, Canada      

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