[INDOLOGY] About Godwin
Arnaud Fournet
fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr
Sun Jun 30 17:29:06 UTC 2019
yes, precisely so
IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like "far-right" or
"racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole", "bastard", etc.
The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the other
set is usually not accepted.
Best regards
A.F
Le 30/06/2019 à 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a écrit :
> Dear Dean,
>
> It's a reference to Godwin's law
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law>, "if an online
> discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner
> or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or
> his deeds".
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson
> <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com <mailto:eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Could you please clarify your point for us who are Godwin-deprived?
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet via
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Le 30/06/2019 à 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology-request at list.indology.info> a écrit :
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600
> > From: Patricia Sauthoff<sauthoff at ualberta.ca
> <mailto:sauthoff at ualberta.ca>>
> > To: Indology<indology at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public
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> >
> > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the far-right,
>
> Godwin1
>
>
> > you may
> > enjoy reading this short article
> >
> http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/,
> > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling and
> gaslighting,
> > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech issue.
> >
> > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this and
> it is a
> > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is meant to
> bait those
> > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their
> words around
> > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me.
> >
> > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller
> >
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/pamela-geller>
> > and Robert Spencer
> >
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/robert-spencer>
> > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is a
> dog whistle.
> > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right
>
> Godwin2
>
>
> > anti-Muslim activists.
> > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism. A
> security
> > guard was shot
> >
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/us/gunmen-killed-after-firing-on-anti-islam-groups-event.html>
> > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to the
> person who
> > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed.
> >
> > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers
>
> Godwin3
>
>
> > were cited for their
> > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian
> terrorist
> > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll
> remember the
> > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers on
> an island by
> > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto
> >
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Manifesto:_2083:_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence>
> > is
> > now canon among the violent far-right
>
> Godwin4
>
>
> > as it lays out tactics and strategies
> > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The Austrailian-born
> > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in his own
> > manifesto.
> >
> > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right
>
> Godwin5
>
>
> > is its penchant for
> > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently an
> online
> > publication
> >
> <https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/11/intellectual-dark-web-quillette-claire-lehmann-221917>
> > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to be
> connected to
> > the anti-fascist movement
> >
> <https://www.cjr.org/analysis/quillette-antifa-journalist-smear-campaign.php>.
> > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist forum
> > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a YouTube
> user
> > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with
> images of the
> > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the
> Media.?"
> >
> > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just words
> afterall. I
> > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their own
> list of
> > targets, i.e., some of us.
>
> yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right" should
> rather
> create their own list somewhere else.
>
>
>
>
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> Patricia Sauthoff
> Postdoctoral Fellow
> AyurYog.org <http://AyurYog.org>
> Department of History and Classics
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton, Canada
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