Re: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Meaning of वाक

[Jan E.M. Houben]

this is then even better news...
JH

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 13:39, Raik Strunz <
raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Houben,
>
> “*this first complete translation of the Rgveda* [.] *now being
> translated into English*” is actually Ludwig’s very own translation of
> the *Rigveda* into English.
>
> He made it in 1885–86 and 1893 (Maṇḍala IX.). Thanks to Prof. Slaje I
> got the chance to edit and publish this translation from Ludwig’s
> manuscript that had been bought ca. 1912 onto Oxford, possibly by then
> Boden Professor Macdonell (based on a comparison of the secondary page
> count in the ms. with Macdonell’s handwritten numbers in an earlier
> letter). On some occasions we could find that it differs to his German
> translation, rarely giving information about exegetical sources he newly
> consulted. So Ludwig did even after his release of the German translation
> and the commentaries further on consult this secondary literature, perhaps
> we should interprete the English *RV* translation as an update to his
> German one (also he now counted the hymns in the established manner, not
> anymore in his very own way by sorting them anew}.
>
> Maṇḍalas I–V will be published this year in a first volume, and the
> other five will also come out some time over the next few years.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Raik Strunz
>
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> सर॑स्वत्यै॒ स्वाहा॑ ॥
>
> >>> "Jan E.M. Houben" <jemhouben at gmail.com> 28.07.19 13.12 Uhr >>>
> As far as I know Alfred Ludwig published a translation of the Rgveda into
> German plus commentary plus introduction between 1876 and 1883.
> If this first complete translation of the Rgveda is now being translated
> into English I consider this very good news.
> As for RV 1.164.23-24, 12 years ago I concluded my study of these stanzas
> as follows:
>
> RV 1.16423-24, two enigmatic statements in the "Riddle Hymn," express two
> complementary viewpoints on the relationship between smaller and larger
> units of metrical speech employed in ritual chanting. As such, they provide
> antecedents for two complementary views which play a major role in
> Bhartrhari's Vâkyapadîya, one according to which the units of a lower
> organizational level (especially the word and its meaning) are primary, the
> other according to which units of a higher organizational level (especially
> the sentence and its meaning) are primary.
>
> For those who want to see the full argument I have uploaded the article on
> academia.edu:
>
> https://www.academia.edu/39950384/RV_1.164.23-24_and_Bhartrharis_philosophy_of_language
> Jan Houben
>
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 21:20, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi,
>>
>> according to Böhtlingk’s PW *vāká*- refers to ‘Spruch, Recitation,
>> Formel im Ritus’ (Apte ‘speech, uttering’), a specific kind of expression
>> destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the
>> whole stanza:
>>
>> “by the *gâyatra*-metre he measures the *arka*,
>> by the *arka* the *sâma*, by the *trišṭubh*-metre the *vâka* |
>> by the *vâka*, that has two feet, the *vâka* that has four (read:
>> *catušpadam*);
>> by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||”
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> RS
>>
>>
>>
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>> –––––––––––
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>>
>>
>> Raik Strunz, M.A.
>>
>>
>> Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
>>
>> Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de
>>
>> Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655
>>
>>
>> Martin-Luther-Universität Halle-Wittenberg
>>
>> Institut für Altertumswissenschaften
>>
>> Seminar für Indologie
>>
>> Emil-Abderhalden-Straße 9
>>
>> D-06108 Halle (Saale)
>>
>>
>> www.indologie.uni-halle.de
>>
>> >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>>
>>
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>  I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV  १,१६४.२४  गायत्रेण
>> प्रति मिमीते अर्कमर्केण साम त्रैष्टुभेन *वाकम् ।*
>> १,१६४.२४ *वाकेन वाकं* द्विपदा चतुष्पदाक्षरेण मिमते सप्त वाणीः ॥
>>
>> It is also found in MB
>> “*यं वाकेष्वनुवाकेषु* निषत्सूपनिषत्सु च । गृणन्ति सत्यकर्म्माणं सत्यं
>> सत्येेेेषु सामनि।
>>
>> I  request all of you to kindly Enlighten me.
>> I have seen S Jamison translation with no use.
>>
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*Jan E.M. Houben*

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*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

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*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

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