Re: [INDOLOGY] Kāṭhā

[jacob at fabularasa.dk]

Dear Artur, Lubomír, and Richard,

Many thanks for your inputs. Adheesh Sathaye suggested off-list that 
kāṭhā could be related to Marathi kāṭha or kāṭhī which means edge, bank, 
etc. Since the paintings derive from the village of Siriyari in Marwar 
just a few kilometers from the border to Mewar, it would make good sense 
if the readings "mārvāṛ kāṭhā," "mārvāṛ (kāṭhā)," and "mulk mārvāṛ 
kāṭhā" all indicated the Marwar border region.

Best regards,
Jacob

Artur Karp via INDOLOGY skrev den 2019-02-05 23:25:
> Dear Discutants,
> 
> see:
> 
> ब्लॉक मुद्रण - विकिपीडिया
> 
> https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/ब्लॉक_मुद्रण
> ब्लॉक मुद्रण या
> काष्ठब्लॉक मुद्रण (Woodblock
> printing), कपड़ों तथा कागज पर
> चित्र और पैटर्न छापने की
> छपाई की एक तकनीक है।
> 
> Best,
> 
> Artur Karp
> 
> wt., 5 lut 2019 o 22:49 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> napisał(a):
> 
>> I'd rather go  for CDIAL 3120 kāṣṭhá- 'piece of wood'.
>> 
>> Block of wood, serving as a stamp - used for printing on  fabrics
>> the symbolic signs of Marvar?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Artur Karp
>> 
>> wt., 5 lut 2019 o 21:32 Lubomír Ondračka via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisał(a):
>> 
>>> Dear Rich,
>>> 
>>> I was also considering this possibility, but the problem is that,
>>> as far as I know, in Bengali this word is never used with
>>> retroflex 'ṭha', in standard Bengali it is always kāṃthā
>>> (and in Hindi it is also not retroflexed: kaṃthā), coming, as
>>> you say, from Sanskrit kanthā.
>>> 
>>> Even various Middle Bengali forms (kethā, kyāṃthā,
>>> kyāṃtā, khāṃtā, kyāthā, kānthā, etc.) are never
>>> retroflexed. But I do not know phonological rules of Marwari or
>>> Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Lubomir
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800
>>> "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The word kāṭhā (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is
>>> used in Bengal
>>>> (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with
>>> embroidered
>>>> narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt.
>>> kanthaa "rag,
>>>> patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla;
>>> also KEWA
>>>> I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk").
>>>> 
>>>> Rich Salomon
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY
>>> <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am encountering the expression "mārvāṛ kāṭhā"
>>> (sometimes rendered as
>>>>> "mārvāṛ (kāṭhā)") in the colophons of a group of
>>> Rajasthani cloth
>>>>> paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern
>>> forgeries). I
>>>>> suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the
>>> region of
>>>>> Marwar," but the only definitions of kāṭhā I have been
>>> able to find are
>>>>> "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square
>>> cubits."
>>>>> 
>>>>> The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which
>>> reads "maṭh
>>>>> hāraṇ mulk mārvāṛ kāṭhā," indicating Saran Math in
>>> the region (mulk) of
>>>>> Marwar. Should kāṭhā be understood as synonymous with
>>> mulk, or do they
>>>>> express separate definitions of territory?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jacob
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
>>>>> PhD Fellow
>>>>> University of Copenhagen
>>>>> Denmark
>>>>> 
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