[INDOLOGY] Query

Tue Dec 31 20:19:21 UTC 2019

Dear Madhav,

That was my misprint, not the book’s. It does indeed read कलावाद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः

Dan

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Dan,
> 
>      The reading कलाद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः is most likely a misprint for कलावाद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः, which looks like a pāda of an Anuṣṭubh verse.  I have never seen a complete verse.  However, this quote is one of the several texts cited to argue that there are no real Kṣatriyas (and Vaiśyas) in the Kali age.  The other famous quotes used in this debate are Purāṇic lines नन्दान्तं क्षत्रियकुलम् and इत: प्रभृति शूद्रा भूपाला भविष्यन्ति, along with the story of Paraśurāma exterminating the Kṣatriyas 21 times.  
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 9:22 AM Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com <mailto:prajnapti at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> The version commented on in the source cited by Michael Allen is कलाद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः .
> 
> Happy new year,
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction, Madhav. I was wondering about the “aunty varna”—a completely new concept …
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Hans 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Dec2019, at 10:52, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Paturiji,
>>> 
>>>      This quote in some medieval Dharmaśāstra works is interpreted to mean that in the Kali Yuga, only the ādya varṇa [= Brahmins] and the antya varṇa [= śūdras] survive, and that there are no true Kṣatriyas and Vaiśyas.  This quote was the basis for rejecting the Kṣatriyahood of some kings during the medieval times.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:08 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Is it कलौ  + आद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः > कलावाद्यन्तयोः स्थितिः?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:12 AM alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Kalav may imply space and time, while Stithi indicates a state of equilibrium.However, I am sceptical about the term  "Adyantos"
>>> 
>>> Alakendu Das.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>> Sent: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 23:40:37 GMT+0530
>>> To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Query
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>>> A colleague who is no on this list asked whether anyone can trace this expression: kalāv ādyantayos sthitiḥ. Any clues? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Patrick
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