[INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY

Birgit Kellner birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at
Fri Apr 19 09:48:00 UTC 2019

I respectfully disagree as to the assessment of Joydeep Bagchee's 
posting. The posting contained several personal attacks on individual 
scholars, and it did in this respect clearly violate the list's 
guidelines (http://indology.info/email/email-const/). One can certainly 
criticize certain hiring practices at universities (though I fail to see 
how this would be a specifically Indological topic), as Joydeep Bagchee 
did, but this can surely be done in a constructive manner and without 
ad-hominem attacks.

With best regards,

Birgit Kellner

Am 19.04.19 um 10:50 schrieb Shrinivasa Varakhedi via INDOLOGY:
> Governing Council,
> I second the opinion of Simon Brodbeck. The posting of Jaydeep was 
> just a continuation of the thread on the gender issue. He just brought 
> some issues objectively without any sort of personal objectionable 
> comments/allegations on any one. The Governing council may disclose if 
> anyone has raised any complaint on his posting. Even if such complaint 
> exists, in a democratic set up, it is appropriate to give a notice and 
> to provide with an opportunity to hear from the person whose posting 
> is found objectionable. Without any such proceedings and 
> justifications, taking action or decision may set a wrong precedence. 
> Kindly revisit the decision.
> Warm regards,
> Shrinivasa Varakhedi
>> On 17-Apr-2019, at 10:24 PM, Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY 
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Dear Philipp,
>> I object to this move. Bagchee’s post was interesting and very much 
>> to the point of our recent discussion, and I think the main way one 
>> could find it defamatory would be by confusing correlation with 
>> causation. To those who have witnessed this forum over a period of 
>> several years, the idea that the committee had “no choicebut to 
>> remove Joydeep Bagchee permanently from the list” may seem 
>> far-fetched. Not only will progress in matters of gender equality not 
>> be made by the committee proceeding in this way, butthe committee may 
>> be seen to be actively hindering the making of such progress. I may 
>> be wrong, but I cannot help but suspect that Bagchee’s previous 
>> contributions, which have been famously abominated by some on this 
>> list, may have prejudiced the committee against him and caused it to 
>> overreact in this instance. One might also wonder whether the 
>> committee’s decision is somehow connected to its current male to 
>> female ratio (4:1 following the unfortunate resignation of Dr Truschke).
>> Yours collegially,
>> Simon Brodbeck
>> Cardiff University
>> ----------------------------------
>> *From:*INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info]*On 
>> Behalf Of*Philipp Maas via INDOLOGY
>> *Sent:*17 April 2019 08:46
>> *To:*Indology <indology at list.indology.info 
>> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> *Cc:*jbagchee at gmail.com <mailto:jbagchee at gmail.com>; Indology 
>> Committee <indology-owner at list.indology.info 
>> <mailto:indology-owner at list.indology.info>>
>> *Subject:*[INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY
>> Dear Members of INDOLOGY,
>> The post that Joydeep Bagchee sent to this list on 16 April under the 
>> header “Re: [INDOLOGY] Response to Shrinivasa Varakhedi” severely 
>> violates the rules for usage of the INDOLOGY list, which state that 
>> “In particular, personal attacks of an ad-hominem nature, rude 
>> language, and off-topic postings are violations of the list rules. 
>> The definition and understanding of what constitutes improper use of 
>> the forum shall be a matter for the Governing Committee. [...] The 
>> Governing Committee may penalize personal attacks or defamatory 
>> speech directed against other list members with a temporary or 
>> permanent removal from the list.“ 
>> (http://www.indology.info/email/email-const/ 
>> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indology.info%2Femail%2Femail-const%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C9a380a5158314ac3d7e108d6c308f0a3%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=Pl1zSNFXAUu0RYlXM7yHiKFE8UsfKjOcS5Yxw7WfgBw%3D&reserved=0>). 
>> The above mentioned severe violation of the Guidelines left the 
>> INDOLOGY Governing Committee with no choice but to remove Joydeep 
>> Bagchee permanently from the list.
>> With best regards,
>> Philipp Maas
>> Governing Committee Member on duty
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