[INDOLOGY] brick-making communities

Fri Nov 9 05:26:59 UTC 2018

The author Prof. Emani Siva Nagi Reddy in

E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval in
Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.

mentioned by Prof. Julia Shaw

is my friend.

He knows the conitinuities of the brick-making communities, the present
castes engaged in it etc.,

I contacted him. He promised to share his info.

I shall update soon.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> I have come across one case of incredible continuity from the Indus
> Civilization to the present day. On a mature Harappan potsherd from Amri in
> southern Indus Valley one can see two images of crocodiles who instead of
> hind legs have a 90 degrees sideways projecting extension reaching the
> “ground”. I found an explanation to this puzzling picture from the
> crocodile cult of fifty tribal villages in southern Gujarat — area once
> inhabited by Harappan people: wooden images of crocodiles installed on
> wooden posts are worshipped in sanctuaries that are now becoming neglected
> but are documented by Eberhard Fischer and Haku Shah in a booklet entitled
> “Mogra Dev, tribal crocodile gods” (Ahmedabad 1971).
> See pp. 25-29 in:
> Parpola, Asko, 2011. Crocodile in the Indus civilization and later South
> Asian traditions. Pp. 1-57 in: Toshiki Osada & Hitoshi Endo (eds),
> Linguistics, Archaeology and the Human Past: Occasional Paper 12, Kyoto:
> Indus Project, Research Institute for Humanity and Nature. Reprinted 2012
> as “Current Studies on the Indus Civilization, vol. IX. New Delhi: Manohar.
> Very briefly with two images (the Amri pot & Fischer’s photo of Devlimadi
> sanctuary) pp. 184-6 in:
> Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism, New York: OUP.
>
> Best regards, Asko
>
> On 8 Nov 2018, at 16.30, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> thanks, I'll look into Chattopadhyaya.  I've actually got the book(s) at
> home.
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:19, Lubomír Ondračka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz> wrote:
>
>> To O. P. Jaggi's multi-volume work (mainly on medicine) we can add some
>> books by Debiprasad Chattopadhyay. True, he was concerned more with science
>> (and philosophy of science) than technology, but e.g. in his book History
>> of Science and Technology in Ancient India (KLM 1986) there are several
>> chapters devoted to bricks and brick-making.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lubomir
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0700
>> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> > It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the
>> leap
>> > to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
>> > oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems
>> impossible
>> > that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices
>> 4500
>> > years ago.
>> >
>> > That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
>> > current practices are documentable.
>> >
>> > As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good,
>> but
>> > sometimes one is surprised.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Dominik
>> >
>> > --
>> > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <
>> http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> > ,
>> >
>> > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> > ,
>> >
>> > Department of History and Classics <
>> http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> > ,
>> > University of Alberta, Canada
>> > .
>> >
>> > South Asia at the U of A:
>> >
>> > sas.ualberta.ca
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear Dominik,
>> > >
>> > > I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
>> > > civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a
>> very
>> > > ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and
>> other
>> > > viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
>> > > Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
>> > > literature about this
>> > >
>> > > It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
>> > >
>> > > Best, Matthew
>> > >
>> > > Matthew T. Kapstein
>> > > EPHE, Paris
>> > > The University of Chicago
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> > > Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
>> > > *To:* Indology
>> > > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
>> > >
>> > > Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
>> > > mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There
>> are
>> > > workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly
>> *historical*
>> > > literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
>> > > earlier Indian history?
>> > >
>> > > With thanks,
>> > > Dominik
>> > >
>> > > e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <
>> http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> > > ,
>> > >
>> > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> > > ,
>> > >
>> > > Department of History and Classics
>> > > <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> > > ,
>> > > University of Alberta, Canada
>> > > .
>> > >
>> > > South Asia at the U of A:
>> > >
>> > > sas.ualberta.ca
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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