[INDOLOGY] Der im Traum pferdlos geritten ist (Re: Brackets in modern sanskrit translations

[Jean-Luc Chevillard]

Dear Adheesh,

reading Dominik's "RED BUTTON" thoughts ;-) , the Kielhorn quotation 
which he provides, and your comment, made me realize two things:

(1)
I am glad Kielhorn wrote the way he wrote :-)
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PCYb5KMkh5E/VxqoZQErkLI/AAAAAAAAfuU/pTICt1pelO4LyLWHUSJTefYYk5f3wXJXACLcB/s1600/kielhorn.jpg
I find it beautiful (and mentally stimulating)

(2)
Many native speakers of English do not realize how it is for others,
whose feelings have been eloquently expressed by the mathematician 
Hermann Weyl in the preface to one of his books

https://books.google.de/books?id=2twDDAAAQBAJ

<BEGIN QUOTE>
"The gods have imposed upon my writing the yoke of a foreign tongue that 
was not sung at my cradle."
<END QUOTE>

[and switched to German, saying:]
<BEGIN QUOTE>
"Was dies heissen will weiss jeder
Der im Traum pferdlos geritten ist"
<END QUOTE>

(see attached image, if it goes through)

I had found (LONG AGO) a web page (no longer active)

http://www.mis.mpg.de/zeidler/preface-qft1.pdf

where these two German lines were translated as:

"Everyone who has dreamt of riding free, without the need of a horse, 
will know what I mean".


Best wishes

-- Jean-Luc (in Hamburg)


https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956


On 04/06/2018 16:44, adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Thank you, Dominik, for point us to a really thoughtful piece, coming at 
> a timely moment for me personaly, as I embark upon a couple of 
> translation projects. I especially appreciate this sentence, which I 
> also firmly believe:
> 
> " To present an incoherent English text is a tacit assertion that the 
> Sanskrit is incoherent.”
> 
> 
> 
> With gratitude,
> Adheesh
> 
> —
> Adheesh Sathaye
> University of British Columbia
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 19.23, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY 
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>> Your question presses a big red button for me :-)  My thoughts are 
>> here 
>> <https://cikitsa.blogspot.com/2016/04/on-use-of-parentheses-in-translation.html>.
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ​,​
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ​,​
>>
>> Department of History and Classics 
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ​,​
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> ​.​
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>> ​sas.ualberta.ca​ <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>
>> ​​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 at 15:24, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY 
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>>     My understanding is that in modern sanskrit translations when the
>>     translator inserts words into the translation that weren't in the
>>     sanskrit to make the meaning clearer then those words  are usually
>>     put in brackets.
>>
>>     Is there a convention on what type of brackets are usually used,
>>     square brackets or regular brackets?
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Harry Spier
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