Re: [INDOLOGY] {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Searchable text?

Sun Feb 25 19:03:54 UTC 2018

Dear Prof. Deshpande,

1. >  On the contrary, Madhvācārya calls Arjuna *uttamādhikārī *at the
beginning of his Bhagavadgītā-Tātparya-Nirṇaya. Contrary to what?

2. S'ankara does not call Arjuna 'mandabuddhi'. While paraphrasing the
first person expression of Arjuna, he uses the first person expression
 '*yadyapi
viviktābhidhāyī bhagavān tathāpi **mama** mandabuddher vyāmiśram iva
bhagavadvākyam pratibhāti.'. *So S'ankara is saying that Arjuna is
considering himself or making himself appear to be 'mandabuddhi' .
 Sri V. Subrahmanianji pointed out this finer aspect already when he said,
"  यद्यपि विविक्ताभिधायी भगवान् , तथापि मम मन्दबुद्धेः व्यामिश्रमिव
भगवद्वाक्यं प्रतिभाति ।  This is the thinking *by Arjuna*, *as per Shankara*,
BG 3.2 bhashya "

3. Why should Arjuna, use expressions such as 'व्यामिश्रेणेव वाक्येन
बुद्धिं मोहयतीव मे' ? In books such as BhG, which are composed in the form
of a conversation between a guru and a s'ishya, the s'ishya represents the
target reader / target audience of the book. When the composer of the book
realises that the explanation given so far by the guru could be difficult
to the target reader / target audience of the book to grasp, further
clarifications may help the  target reader / target audience of the book,
the composer of the book makes the s'shya say, ' I am not able to grasp.  I
am a bit confused. Please clarify. '. This is a very good technique to make
the  target reader / target audience of the book feel that the book is able
to read his mind and respond to all his questions almost as an interactive
presentation.

4. So the mandabuddhi that is presented by Arjuna as his is, in fact, that
of a certain level of  the target reader / target audience of the book.

5. Prof. S. Radhakrishnan's expression madhyamaadhikaarin is not coming
from this vyaamis'rENEva context. It is coming from a jnaana-karma context.
His defective expressions such as salvation for moksha show his capability
of making defective expressions such as madhyamaadhikaarin.

6. There is no proof that Madhvaachaarya was saying Arjuna is a
uttamaadhikaarin in response to any words of S'ankara. Nor is there a proof
that S'ankara had a view contrary to this view of Madhva about Arjuna.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Nagarajji,
>
>      Here is the passage form Radhakrishnan's introduction to his TR of
> the Bhagavadgītā [p.67]:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> It is now clear to me that Śaṅkara himself does not use the term
> madhyamādhikāri in reference to Arjuna.  However, the  Bhāṣya on the
> verse "*vyāmiśreṇeva vākyena buddhim mohayasīva me*" [BG 3.2] uses the
> term mandabuddhi to refer to him: *yadyapi viviktābhidhāyī bhagavān
> tathāpi mama mandabuddher vyāmiśram iva bhagavadvākyam pratibhāti.  *On
> the contrary, Madhvācārya calls Arjuna *uttamādhikārī *at the beginning
> of his Bhagavadgītā-Tātparya-Nirṇaya.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
> Campbell, California
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is still not a citation from S'ankara Bhashya.
>>
>> Now that the searchable formats are available, hope the actual words will
>> be found.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Suresh Kolichala via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Madhavji,
>>>
>>> Have you checked the supersite of IIT-K which has the text for all the
>>> important commentaries including Śankara and Madhva.
>>>
>>> https://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in
>>>
>>> Also the following paper appears to discuss the topic in detail, which I
>>> have only a snippet view access on google books:
>>>
>>> Bhavani, Sudhindra: Is Arjuna amadhyamadhikarin? [Engl.]. In: Studies in
>>> Indian history and culture: volume presented to Dr. P. B. Desai ... 1971. -
>>> pp. 412-415
>>>
>>> The following snippet appears to confirm Sankara proposed  Arjuna  as a
>>> Madhyamadhikarin.
>>>
>>> Madhva has therefore, hastened to correct this impression left by
>>> Śankara and dispel the myth of *Arjuna's* being a *Madhyamadhikarin*.
>>> At the very beginning of his Gīta-Tatparya he hails Arjuna as a front
>>> rank Adhikari (Uttamadhikari) and as the best beloved of the Lord (Atmanah
>>> priyatamah).
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=H821AAAAIAAJ&dq=madhyamadh
>>> ikarin+arjuna
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Suresh.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:46 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am trying to find if and where Śaṅkara uses the term madhyamādhikārin
>>>> in reference to Arjuna in his Gītābhāṣya.  Radhakrishnan, in his
>>>> introduction to his translation of the Bhagavadgītā, attributes this view
>>>> to Śaṅkara.  I have not yet found a passage in Śaṅkara's Gītābhāṣya where
>>>> he used the term madhyamādhikārin for Arjuna.  I would appreciate if anyone
>>>> else has come across such a passage.
>>>>
>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>> Campbell, California
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, David.  That is great!
>>>>>
>>>>> Madhav
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:24 PM, David and Nancy Reigle <
>>>>> dnreigle at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GRETIL has a searchable file of adhyayas 1-17 here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/1_sanskr/6_sastra
>>>>>> /3_phil/vedanta/bhgsbh_u.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Reigle
>>>>>> Colorado, U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Is there a searchable text of Śaṅkara's commentary on the
>>>>>>> Bhagavadgītā?  Please let me know if there is such a file that I can
>>>>>>> access.  Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>>>> Campbell, California
>>>>>>>
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>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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