[INDOLOGY] hermaphrodite king as an evil omen

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Vikalendriya, Vaikalya> ugliness>opposite if beauty is assumed to be the
feature of a monkey. The words for monkey in various Indian languages are
used for mild (non-profane) , sometimes even friendly or even affectionate
abuse to call/tease the other person as 'ugly'.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> perhaps I have been over-hasty in assuming the identification of these
> terms with the specific category of hermaphrodite. Should we understand
> rather eunuch? In any event, what is the connection with a monkey?
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The terms, perhaps I should specify, in the Skt sources are variously
>> found as paṇḍaka and vikalendriya.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jonathan,
>>>
>>> I do not know of the hermaphrodite part, but otherwise the prophecy of
>>> the monkey will indeed be
>>> fulfilled in Washington next week.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>> Directeur d'études,
>>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>>
>>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>> The University of Chicago
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] on behalf of
>>> Jonathan Silk [kauzeya at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:33 AM
>>> To: Indology
>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] hermaphrodite king as an evil omen
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> This may be something well known, but...
>>> I am working now on a set of prophecies of the evil to beset the
>>> Buddhist community after the Buddha's death. These (they are relatively
>>> well known) are cast as dreams of King Kṛkin, who lived in the distant
>>> past, and whose dreams were interpreted by the Buddha Kāśyapa (some sources
>>> say this was his son!) as pertaining to his far future, namely, our time,
>>> more or less. Anyway, one of the dreams is that a monkey will be
>>> consecrated as king, which is interpreted to mean that a hermaphrodite will
>>> be consecrated king. I've looked (sort of, not exactly sure even how to
>>> look for this!) to see whether this is considered a sign of decline, but
>>> I've come up empty. Probably i'm just looking in the wrong place... but one
>>> of you śiṣṭas must know...?
>>>
>>> thanks!  jonathan
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Silk
>>> Leiden University
>>> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
>>> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
>>> 2311 BZ Leiden
>>> The Netherlands
>>>
>>> copies of my publications may be found at
>>> http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Silk
>> Leiden University
>> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
>> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
>> 2311 BZ Leiden
>> The Netherlands
>>
>> copies of my publications may be found at
>> http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html
>>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Silk
> Leiden University
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
> 2311 BZ Leiden
> The Netherlands
>
> copies of my publications may be found at
> http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html
>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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