[INDOLOGY] Gita 13.6

[HR]

Thank you, Nagaraj. I am still trying to grasp more clearly the sense of avyakta in verses like 8.18 — 
avyaktād vyaktayah sarvāḥ prabhavanty ahar-āgame

How would you define the avyakta as the source of manifest individuals (vyaktayaḥ)?

Howard

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear HR-ji,
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> noun not adjective.
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> Yes, that is what I was about to point out.
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> In 13.6, it is a part of categories into which the "knowable field" as opposed to the "field - knower"  is  divided. 
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> महाभूतान्यहन्कारो बुद्धिरव्यक्तमेव च ।
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> इन्द्रियाणि दशैकन् च प~न्च चेन्द्रियगोचराः ॥ 13\-6॥ 
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> Similar is its use in 8-18, 8-20
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> अव्यक्ताद् व्यक्तयः सर्वाः प्रभवन्त्यहरागमे ।
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> रात्र्यागमे प्रलीयन्ते तत्रैवाव्यक्तसन्घके ॥ 8\-18॥
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> परस्तस्मात्तु भावो अन्यो अव्यक्तो अव्यक्तात्सनातनः ।
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> यः स सर्वेषु भूतेषु नश्यत्सु न विनश्यति ॥ 8\-20॥
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> The words element and dimension used by you are very apt. 
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> Interestingly it is both a dimension and element. 
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> Just for analogy, space and time in contemporary Physics are both dimensions and components. (Post Einstein, they are components of a continuum.)
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> mahābhūtāni, indriyagoocarāh are part of the vyakta component. ahankārah, buddhih, indriyāṇi are parts of neither parts of the vyakta nor of the avykta. 
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> This vyakta, avyakta division has its foundations right from the rigvedic expressions such as 
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> pādōsya viśvābhūtāni tripādasyāmr̥tam divi. 
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> vēdāhamētam puruśam mahāntam ādityavarṇam tamasah parastāt. 
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> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, HR via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Thank you. Actually, avyakta is often used as a straightforward adjective, as in Bg 2.25. My interest here is when avyakta is used as a noun, as in Bg 12.1, or even more to the point, 8.18,20.
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> Howard
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>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 4:52 AM, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Scholar, 
>>                  The best way to comprehend Avykta or "The unmanifested"is available in Gita itself.2.26(or may be 27,)says- A chheddyam,Adahhyam,Akleddya,Ashoshya eba cha ,Nitya Sarvagata Sthanu Chalayam ,Sanatana
>> ........Avyaktayam,Achintyam,Avikaryam ucchyate.The concept of Avyakta in our Philosophy is dimensionless,although it
>> is the sole EXISTENCE. The fact that it is dimensionless, can be accessed from this Upanishadic qoute- Ananu,Asthulam,Arhasham,A
>> ..dirgham....etc.," Avyaktam' is the Sumnum Bonum of our Vedanta Philosophy.
>>                      Alakendu Ds
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>> From: HR via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Sent: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:23:45 GMT+0530
>> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Gita 13.6
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>> Dear Scholars,
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>>    I would appreciate insights on how we might understand the use of ‘avyakta,’ the ‘unmanifest’ in the Gita 13.6 and elsewhere as a type of element or dimension of this world.
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>> Thanks,
>> Howard
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