[INDOLOGY] Female name Bhaayi?

[Christophe Vielle]

For an example of Malayalam (and I suppose Sanskrit) writing bhāyi for what is transcribed in English "Bayi"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gowri_Lakshmi_Bayi
https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/ആയില്യം_തിരുനാൾ_ഗൗരി_ലക്ഷ്മിഭായി

Le 24 avr. 2017 à 05:11, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a écrit :

> >there is practically no variation across manuscripts (I have now located a third one) or metres. They all read bhāyi or bhāi -- I have not so far seen a single instance lacking the aspiration. That was what made me wonder in the first place.
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>                                           Prof. Aklujkar's " It was not unusual to write the non-Sanskrit words as one heard them" solves the problem of bhāi version of bāī being consistently followed through out. It is not a scribal error. It is a variant pronunciation sincerely represented consistently. 
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> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Martin Gansten<martingansten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Ashok, for your comments.
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>> I see no problem with the manuscript reading 
>> śrīvatsa-saṃjñād dvija-puṅgavād yaṃ śrī-bhāyi-nāmnī suṣuve ca sādhvī |
>> śrī-yādavena vyaracīha tena sudhā-nidhis tājika-yoga-pūrvaḥ ||
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> I'm glad to hear it ;nor do I. I am just curious about the name.
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>> (but I do see a problem with David Pingree, a scholar I respect very much, if there are other instances of him emending texts as in the present case).
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> I don't want to seem overly critical -- Pingree was a trailblazer, and every scholar working on the history of astrology owes him a debt of gratitude. But it must be conceded that he was somewhat prone to rash emendations and far-reaching interpretations. In recent years, Bill Mak has shown the problems with some of Pingree's work on theYavanajātaka; and in another linguistic field (but still related to astrology), Stephan Heilen in his Hadriani genitura (De Gruyter 2015) similarly has some reservations about Pingree's edition of Hephaestio'sApotelesmatics. I am not competent to judge Pingree's work on texts in any language but Sanskrit, but there I do quite often find reason to disagree with his readings and/or translations. It would be interesting to learn from an Arabist what the situation is with his work in that area.
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>> It was not unusual to write the non-Sanskrit words as one heard them or as the metre required; approximation was acceptable. Therefore the writing of (our expected) bāī as bhāyī or bhāyi need not be viewed as presenting a serious problem. (again. cf. Paturi: “Shortening of the end vowel is not a hurdle …”)
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> Yes, I take your point; but the situation here is the opposite: there is practically no variation across manuscripts (I have now located a third one) or metres. They all read bhāyi or bhāi -- I have not so far seen a single instance lacking the aspiration. That was what made me wonder in the first place.
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>> The “ca” in the second quarter of the verse initially bothered me, but there could be justification for it in a preceding verse of the section, if [if the verse under discussion is not the first verse of the section]. 
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> That depends on how you define a section -- it is right towards the end of the last chapter, but the immediately preceding verse praises the work itself and says nothing of the author.
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> Martin
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