[INDOLOGY] Gita meter

Tue Apr 18 12:21:13 UTC 2017

Gentlemen,

for an evaluation of Mislav Jezic's analysis of layers in the Bhagavadgītā,
see:

Vishwa Adluri and Joydeep Bagchee, "Paradigm Lost: The Application of the
Historical-Critical Method to the Bhagavadgītā," *International Journal of
Hindu Studies *20, no. 2 (2016): 199–301.

The article is uploaded here:
https://www.academia.edu/30431442/Paradigm_Lost

See especially the table on pages 259–261. The proposed criteria for
identifying historical layers in the Gītā do not work; and unless we can
provide new criteria or arguments, we are recirculating old and discredited
literature. Brockington's arguments in "The Bhagavadgītā: Text and
Context,” in Lipner, ed., 28–47 are also addressed in the article; we show
his claims are reliant on Georg von Simson's work, and he does not propose
any arguments.

The reasons for the interest in different versions of the Gītā are
addressed here:
https://www.academia.edu/24302441/Whos_Zoomin_Who_Bhagavadg%C4%ABt%C4%81_Recensions_in_India_and_Germany

We discuss the untenability of the oral bardic epic hypothesis in our
forthcoming book *Philology and Criticism: A Guide to Mahābhārata Textual
Criticism*. It should be in print in two months or so; I will announce it
here as soon as it is out.

Joydeep

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Now that the focus of this thread has shifted to BhG, chapter 11, the
> following article by Mislav Jezic might be of interest:
>
> "The Tristubh Hymn in the Bhagavadgita".
>
> In: Petteri Koskikallio (ed.), Paralleles and Comparisons. Proceedings of
> the Fourth Dubrovnik Intern. Conf. on the Skt Epics and Puranas. Sept.
> 2005. Zagreb 2009, pp. 31-66.
>
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> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens George
> Thompson via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
> *Verzonden:* maandag 17 april 2017 19:07
> *Aan:* Jan E.M. Houben; indology at list.indology.info
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Gita meter
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> In the  introduction to my Gita translation, I include "A Note on Chapter
> 11," which argues on the basis of metrical and thematic reasons [similar to
> Jan's] that this chapter is an interpolation.  John Brockington has pointed
> out that this chapter does not fit well into its context.  He points out
> that chapter 12 "seems to pick up immediately from chapter 10" [See his
> essay; "The Bhagavadgita: Text and Context" in J.  Lipner's anthology "The
> Fruits of our Desiring: An Enquiry into the Ethics of the BhG for Our
> Times" (Calgary: Bayeux Arts, 1997].  He cites several scholars who have
> argued that the BhG was stitched together by two or more authors.
>
> I hope that this note is useful.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Jan Houben via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> In the case of the 11th chapter I would consider it a matter of author’s
>> choice of a meter suitable to the particularly awe-inspiring subject.
>>
>> Best, Jan
>>
>>
>>
>> Envoyé de mon téléphone Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *De : *Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Envoyé le :*lundi 17 avril 2017 13:17
>> *À : *edbryant at rci.rutgers.edu
>> *Cc : *indology at list.indology.info
>> *Objet :*Re: [INDOLOGY] Gita meter
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Edwin,
>>
>>
>>
>>      In her article "The Mahabharata's Core" (1975), Mary Carroll Smith
>> has argued that there was an ancient core of the Mahabharata in Triṣṭubh
>> verses, which was later expanded by the addition of the narrative in
>> Anuṣṭubh.  I am not sure how this would account for the metrical variation
>> in the Bhagavadgita, but there is a suggestion from this article.
>>
>>
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Edwin F. Bryant via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>> Is there anything written about when and why the Gita changes its meter,
>> or does anyone on the list have an opinion about this?  At least in
>> several instances, I can see no narrative reason for this, nor shift in
>> theological content. At least in the second chapter which borrows two
>> verses from the Katha, I wonder whether this occurs with verses being
>> borrowed from elsewhere,  but I don't know.  Has anyone thought about this
>> or can anyone point me to anything written on it?
>>
>> Thanks.  Edwin Bryant.
>>
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