for an evaluation of Mislav Jezic's analysis of layers in the Bhagavadgītā, see:

Vishwa Adluri and Joydeep Bagchee, "Paradigm Lost: The Application of the Historical-Critical Method to the Bhagavadgītā," International Journal of Hindu Studies 20, no. 2 (2016): 199–301.

The article is uploaded here:

See especially the table on pages 259–261. The proposed criteria for identifying historical layers in the Gītā do not work; and unless we can provide new criteria or arguments, we are recirculating old and discredited literature. Brockington's arguments in "The Bhagavadgītā: Text and Context,” in Lipner, ed., 28–47 are also addressed in the article; we show his claims are reliant on Georg von Simson's work, and he does not propose any arguments.

The reasons for the interest in different versions of the Gītā are addressed here:

We discuss the untenability of the oral bardic epic hypothesis in our forthcoming book Philology and Criticism: A Guide to Mahābhārata Textual Criticism. It should be in print in two months or so; I will announce it here as soon as it is out.


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <> wrote:
Now that the focus of this thread has shifted to BhG, chapter 11, the following article by Mislav Jezic might be of interest:

"The Tristubh Hymn in the Bhagavadgita".

In: Petteri Koskikallio (ed.), Paralleles and Comparisons. Proceedings of the Fourth Dubrovnik Intern. Conf. on the Skt Epics and Puranas. Sept. 2005. Zagreb 2009, pp. 31-66.

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Van: INDOLOGY [] namens George Thompson via INDOLOGY []
Verzonden: maandag 17 april 2017 19:07
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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Gita meter

Hello everyone,

In the  introduction to my Gita translation, I include "A Note on Chapter 11," which argues on the basis of metrical and thematic reasons [similar to Jan's] that this chapter is an interpolation.  John Brockington has pointed out that this chapter does not fit well into its context.  He points out that chapter 12 "seems to pick up immediately from chapter 10" [See his essay; "The Bhagavadgita: Text and Context" in J.  Lipner's anthology "The Fruits of our Desiring: An Enquiry into the Ethics of the BhG for Our Times" (Calgary: Bayeux Arts, 1997].  He cites several scholars who have argued that the BhG was stitched together by two or more authors.

I hope that this note is useful.


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Jan Houben via INDOLOGY <> wrote:

In the case of the 11th chapter I would consider it a matter of author’s choice of a meter suitable to the particularly awe-inspiring subject.

Best, Jan


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Hello Edwin,


     In her article "The Mahabharata's Core" (1975), Mary Carroll Smith has argued that there was an ancient core of the Mahabharata in Triṣṭubh verses, which was later expanded by the addition of the narrative in Anuṣṭubh.  I am not sure how this would account for the metrical variation in the Bhagavadgita, but there is a suggestion from this article.


Madhav Deshpande

Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Edwin F. Bryant via INDOLOGY <> wrote:

Greetings everyone,

Is there anything written about when and why the Gita changes its meter,
or does anyone on the list have an opinion about this?  At least in
several instances, I can see no narrative reason for this, nor shift in
theological content. At least in the second chapter which borrows two
verses from the Katha, I wonder whether this occurs with verses being
borrowed from elsewhere,  but I don't know.  Has anyone thought about this
or can anyone point me to anything written on it?

Thanks.  Edwin Bryant.

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