[INDOLOGY] 'Vedic' astrology (was: bhakti)

Tue Nov 15 04:06:39 UTC 2016

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> For a detailed history of Indian Astronomy/Astrology from the Vedic period
>  to the modern period see:
> Bharatiya Jyotish Sastra by S. B. Dikshit.
>
> There is an english translation of this by R.V. Vaidya
> published by the India Meteorological Department.
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Bill Mak <bill.m.mak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Without examining the actual content of “Vedic astrology", I believe this
>> discussion may become completely misguided. If one talks about the lunar
>> astrology “hinted at” in the *Vedāṅgajyotiṣa, *indeed Vedic astrology
>> seems the correct term. From the extant materials, this form of Vedic
>> astrology based on 27/28 nakṣatra-s was practiced by the Buddhists and
>> Jains. By the time of Varāhamihira, only remnants survived as collected in
>> the *Bṛhatsaṃhitā*.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, what is referred to “Vedic astrology” refers
>> actually to Greco-Indian horoscopy. Not only does it have little in common
>> with the older “Vedic astrology”, the way it was conceptualized was
>> completely different - it is based on solar motion, using zodiac, planets
>> and planetary relation, concepts which are absent and foreign in the Vedic
>> corpus. Unless one stretches the definition of Vedic to cover everything
>> under the Indian civilization, “Vedic astrology” as such is a pure
>> misnomer. No scholars on *jyotiṣa* would commit such travesty, from
>> Kane, PV Sarma to Pingree.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill Mak
>>
>> --
>> Bill M. Mak, PhD
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Robert Zydenbos <zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> patrick mccartney wrote:
>>
>> I guess the question for me specifically regarding Vedic astrology is
>> exactly the point Valerie and Luis raise. It could be called by the
>> astrologers 'Indian Astrology', and perhaps it is a better representation,
>> however they have settled on the use of Vedic to qualify their predictive
>> system. Although, it's possible that someone out there might think that
>> 'South Asian astrology' is a better term because all this knowledge
>> developed prior to the birth of the Indian nation.
>>
>>
>> If we ask such questions, there is the real danger that we enter the
>> field of endless 'politically correct' quarrels. (E.g., is it not Western
>> hybris to use the word 'Indian' for ancient Bhāratīya knowledge systems?
>> etc. etc.)
>>
>> As for 'Vedic' astrology vis-à-vis other systems of astrology: there are
>> also plenty of Jaina astrological practitioners (one of them has / had a
>> regular program on a commercial South Indian TV station), there is a long
>> and serious tradition of writing on astrological subjects by Jaina authors,
>> and systemically I do not see any major differences with 'Vedic' astrology.
>>
>> The only significant difference I have come across concerns methods of
>> prāyaścitta. I once heard a Jaina astrologer in Karnataka advise a person
>> to pray to 'Infant Jesus' to counteract a certain planet's influence. The
>> next person happened to have the same difficult, and she said "he should
>> pray to Infant Jesus, but since you re a Jaina, you should do japa of this
>> mantra to Munisuvratasvāmi". Brahmins, so she said, would have to do a pūjā
>> to Viṣṇu.
>>
>> Intrigued by these bits of advice, I asked the astrologer more about how
>> this works. She said that ultimately the worship of all those beings
>> (Infant Jesus, Munisuvrata, Viṣṇu) produced the same effect, but only if
>> the worshipper had real faith in what s/he was doing. Hence the object of
>> worship needed to be chosen accordingly.
>>
>> Such experiences only strengthen my belief that there is nothing 'Vedic'
>> at all about 'Vedic astrology' except the conventional religious window
>> dressing by certain brahmin astrologers.
>>
>> RZ
>>
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