[INDOLOGY] Ear

Tue Nov 1 18:57:06 UTC 2016

Did you see the video?

It is called aatmapradakshiNa namaskaara

> How does one rotate around oneself?

---- Just for fun, let me say, just as the earth rotates around its own
axis.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://youtu.be/isTVFCIPGlI
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 7:56 PM, stella sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks for this interesting and detailed information. Most
>> illuminating.
>> But I don't understand your point 8: How does one rotate around oneself?
>> Best
>> Stella Sandahl
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Following the advice of Prof. Dominik Vujastyk sometime ago. I wanted to
>> take my typos easy. But at some places this time they seemed to be
>> horrible. So let me resend it with corrections highlighted. :
>>
>> What Prof. Patrick J Olivelle was asking for was a textual reference. If
>> it is the question of the details of the actual ritual, its altogether
>> *a* different big story.
>>
>> 1. Touching the ears is not just a ritual as part of worship of a deity.
>> It is a gesture as part of daily speech adopted into the ritual. In north
>> India, it is a common practice even today to pull one's own ear with one's
>> own hand infinitesimally slightly down to indicate 'I apologise'. This has
>> many complex nuances including those of expressions in romance in which
>> case the gesture is made along with a mischievous smile.
>>
>> 2. This gesture has a variation of criss-crossing the hands to hold the
>> lower tip of the *ear of the  *left ear with the right hand and vice
>> versa. This is similar to the criss-crossing of hands by a Vaidika male for
>> self introduction with gotra etc. But the semiotics here is that of
>> obedience rather than *that of  *asking for forgiveness. The gesture too
>> is little different . In the self introduction, the ear is closed with the
>> back of the palms* ,*with the tips of the fingers facing upwards.
>>
>> 3. In south India, the variation of criss-crossing the hands to hold the
>> lower tip of the *ear of the  *  left ear with the right hand and vice
>> versa is part of the ritual *of * considered to be typical of Ganesha
>> worship and is performed even during the briefest of Darshan of Ganesha.
>> But here, this gesture is essentially part of sit-stand series expressing
>> asking for forgiveness.
>>
>> 4. In any case, touching the ground is not part of these gestures or
>> rituals employing them.
>>
>> 5. What probably is being viewed as touching the ground is sAshTAnga
>> namaskAra which is an expression of surrender rather than asking for
>> forgiveness. These two rituals are different from each other.
>>
>> 6. To show that surrender ritual and ritual for asking for forgiveness
>> are different, I am providing this link
>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1640465872858615&id=1616344738604062> to
>> a general popular description of a Devi-worship ritual:
>>
>> which has
>>
>>
>> 15) क्षमायाचना :-
>>
>> आवाहनं न जानामि न जानामि विसर्जनम् ।
>> पूजां चैव न जानामि क्षम्यतां परमेश्वरि ॥
>> मंत्रहीनं क्रियाहीनं भक्तिहीनं सुरेश्वरि ।
>> यत्पूजितं मया देवि परिपूर्ण तदस्तु मे ॥३॥
>> पापोहं पापकर्माहं पापात्मा पाप संभव: ॥
>> त्राहि मां पर्मेशानी सर्वपापहरा भव॥४॥
>> अपराधसहस्त्राणि क्रियंतेऽहर्निशं मया ।
>> दासोऽयमिति मां मत्वा क्षमस्व परमेश्वरी ॥
>>
>> 16)आत्मसमर्पण मंत्र :- एक आचमनी जल लेकर निम्न मंत्र पढ़कर सामने पात्र मे
>> छोड़ दं -
>> इत: पूर्वं प्राणबुद्धिदेह धर्माधिकारतो जाग्रतस्वप्न सुषुप्त्य- वस्थासु
>> मनसा वाचा कर्मणा हस्ताभ्यां पद्भ्यामुदरेण शिश्ना यत् कृतं यत् स्मृतं
>> यदुक्तं तत्सर्वं ब्रह्मार्पणं भवतु, मां मदीयं सकलमाद्या कालीपदाम्भो
>> अर्पयामि ॐ तत्सत् |( महानिर्वाण तंत्र)
>>
>> 7. The gesture of pulling the lower tip of the ear with or without
>> criss-crossed hands has its origin in the mild punishment method of
>> pinching the ear. This gesture has the semiotics of self-punishment. Series
>> of sit-stand movements too has a similar  -punishment to self-punishment-
>> 'derivation'.
>>
>> 8. Rotating around oneself is also part of  क्षमायाचना. But it has a
>> different semiotic 'derivation'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your patience.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What Prof. Patrick J Olivelle was asking for was a textual reference. If
>>> it is the question of the details of the actual ritual, its altogether
>>> different big story.
>>>
>>> 1. Touching the ears is not just a ritual as part of worship of a deity.
>>> It is a gesture as part of daily speech adopted into the ritual. In north
>>> India, it is a common practice even today to pull one's own ear with one's
>>> own hand infinitesimally slightly down to indicate 'I apologise'. This has
>>> many complex nuances including those of expressions in romance in which
>>> case the gesture is made along with a mischievous smile.
>>>
>>> 2. This gesture has a variation of criss-crossing the hands to hold the
>>> lower tip of the ear of the left ear with the right hand and vice versa.
>>> This is similar to the criss-crossing of hands by a Vaidika male for self
>>> introduction with gotra etc. But the semiotics here is that of obedience
>>> rather than asking for forgiveness. The gesture too is little different .
>>> In the self introduction the ear is closed with the back of the palm with
>>> the tips of the fingers facing upwards.
>>>
>>> 3. In south India, the variation of criss-crossing the hands to hold the
>>> lower tip of the ear of the left ear with the right hand and vice versa is
>>> part of the ritual of considered to be typical of Ganesha worship and is
>>> performed even during the briefest of Darshan of Ganesha. But here, this
>>> gesture is essentially part of sit-stand series expressing asking for
>>> forgiveness.
>>>
>>> 4. In any case, touching the ground is not part of these gestures or
>>> rituals employing them.
>>>
>>> 5. What probably is being viewed as touching the ground is sAshTAnga
>>> namaskAra which is an expression of surrender rather than asking for
>>> forgiveness. These two rituals are different from each other.
>>>
>>> 6. To show that surrender ritual and ritual for asking for forgiveness
>>> are different, I am providing this link
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1640465872858615&id=1616344738604062> to
>>> a general popular description of a Devi-worship ritual:
>>>
>>> which has
>>>
>>>
>>> 15) क्षमायाचना :-
>>>
>>> आवाहनं न जानामि न जानामि विसर्जनम् ।
>>> पूजां चैव न जानामि क्षम्यतां परमेश्वरि ॥
>>> मंत्रहीनं क्रियाहीनं भक्तिहीनं सुरेश्वरि ।
>>> यत्पूजितं मया देवि परिपूर्ण तदस्तु मे ॥३॥
>>> पापोहं पापकर्माहं पापात्मा पाप संभव: ॥
>>> त्राहि मां पर्मेशानी सर्वपापहरा भव॥४॥
>>> अपराधसहस्त्राणि क्रियंतेऽहर्निशं मया ।
>>> दासोऽयमिति मां मत्वा क्षमस्व परमेश्वरी ॥
>>>
>>> 16)आत्मसमर्पण मंत्र :- एक आचमनी जल लेकर निम्न मंत्र पढ़कर सामने पात्र मे
>>> छोड़ दं -
>>> इत: पूर्वं प्राणबुद्धिदेह धर्माधिकारतो जाग्रतस्वप्न सुषुप्त्य- वस्थासु
>>> मनसा वाचा कर्मणा हस्ताभ्यां पद्भ्यामुदरेण शिश्ना यत् कृतं यत् स्मृतं
>>> यदुक्तं तत्सर्वं ब्रह्मार्पणं भवतु, मां मदीयं सकलमाद्या कालीपदाम्भो
>>> अर्पयामि ॐ तत्सत् |( महानिर्वाण तंत्र)
>>>
>>> 7. The gesture of pulling the lower tip of the ear with or without
>>> criss-crossed hands has its origin in the mild punishment method of
>>> pinching the ear. This gesture has the semiotics of self-punishment. Series
>>> of sit-stand movements too has a similar punishment to self-punishment
>>> 'derivation'.
>>>
>>> 8. Rotating around oneself is also part of  क्षमायाचना. But it has a
>>> different semiotic 'derivation'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your patience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a lovely (short) scene in the newly released documentary,
>>>> Gurukulam (http://www.gurukulamfilm.com/) that shows this ritual
>>>> sequence of events (bowing to the floor, touching of the ears).
>>>>
>>>> Herman Tull
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 11:37 AM, stella sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Madhav and Patrick,
>>>>> I understood that touching the ground first is also part of the
>>>>> "ritual", not just the ears.
>>>>> Best to all
>>>>> Stella
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>>      Take a look at the attached page (28) from Lanman's Sanskrit
>>>>> Reader, line 2 from bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Madhav
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A colleague asked me about the practice of holding one’s ear,
>>>>>> especially in asking forgiveness. Are there textual sources for it? I have
>>>>>> seen this practice in texts, but cannot find them right now. If, off the
>>>>>> top of your heads, you can find one, do let me know. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
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>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>

-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

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