[INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari on Mac

Fri Jul 15 21:24:57 UTC 2016

Hans,

     Just tested your suggestions with ABC Extended keyboard layout, and
this does work in TextEdit and in Gmail, but not in MS Word.  I tried to
copy and paste from EextEdit into Word, and the Word was not able to show
the stacking of three diacritics like ā̃́.  Glad to know that such
combinations are possible at least on some platforms.  Thanks, Hans, for
solving one of my long-standing problems.  With best wishes,

Madhav

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
>
>      Which keyboard-layout are you using to produce these characters?
>
> Madhav
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Madhav,
>>
>> Though there may be some limitations on stacking, it is possible to
>> produce the following symbol on the Mac (still system 10.9.5): ā̃́. The
>> first diacritic (the macron) is accessed by typing option a + a; the other
>> two diacritics by entering shift-option n and shift-option e AFTER having
>> typed assembled the basic ā character. This post-character shift-option
>> input procedure doesn’t seem to be well advertised; I more or less stumbled
>> upon it in some university’s instructions for its faculty.
>>
>> There is one concern, however: While ā and the like is treated as a
>> single glyph in unicode and thus transfers well between unicode-compatible
>> platforms, more complex character, such as ā́, ā̃, or ā̃́, are not single
>> glyphs and may therefore not transfer across platforms. We ran into this
>> problem in producing the documents from which the new South Asia volume in
>> the series World of Linguistics have been printed, and the only thing that
>> we could do was submit a pdf-version indicating the desired character shape.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> This is a question as to how to get multiple markings on the same vowel
>> sign.  In my pre-Unicode diacritics font Manjushree-CSX, I had included,
>> for instance, the sign for vowel "a" with three markings, length, nasality
>> and accent.  This is necessary to represent Pāṇinian procedures accurately.
>> Pāṇini deals with eighteen varieties of "a, i, u, ṛ" etc. differing in
>> length, accent and nasality. Is there a way to do this with unicode fonts
>> and keyboards?
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Jeffery Long <dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The ABC Extended keyboard on the Mac is good for all diacritical marks.
>>> Combining the option key with a gives the macron: ā, ī, etc.  Option + x = underdot:
>>> ṃ, ṣ, etc.  Option + w = overdot: ṅ.  Option + e = accent mark: ś.  Tilde
>>> is of course option + n: ñ.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Jeff
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>>> On Friday, July 15, 2016 9:17 AM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe indeed I'm missing something but the Asian Extended keyboard
>>> (made, if I am not wrong, by Nobumi Iyanaga) works perfectly for
>>> diacritics, no mess, no fuss.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>>      The old Easy Unicode keyboard-layout does work on my Mac that has
>>> the latest operating system and the latest MS Office 360.  Try reinstalling
>>> the keyboard file, if you have it.  If not, I can send it to you.  Best,
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, David Mellins <dmellins at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, This is true, but have you found a convenient way to enter the full
>>> range  of diacritica for Romanized Sanskrit without having to resort to
>>> Emoji/Latin/favorites inserts?
>>>
>>> This is not the worst thing in the world, but slower than the old Easy
>>> Unicode or Dev Unicode keyboards.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm shocked.  I don't pay much attention to the Mac world, but I've been
>>> typing Devanagari into everything on my computer for many years (Linux).  I
>>> had no idea that this wasn't possible or easy on a Mac.  Wow.  And the Mac
>>> used to be the byword for multilingual support.  I'm glad it's okay now, at
>>> least.
>>>
>>> Dominik
>>>
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>>> On 15 July 2016 at 12:58, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Indologists,
>>>
>>>      To my happy surprise, I found that with the combination of the
>>> latest version of Microsoft Office 360 for Mac and the latest Mac Operating
>>> System OS X El Capitan, it is now possible to directly enter Unicode
>>> Devanagari in a Word document with the Devanagari - QWERTY keyboard
>>> layout.  Previously, I had to enter Unicode Devanagari in something like
>>> TextEdit and then copy and paste into a Word document, but was not able to
>>> edit it in the Word document.  The new development of software has happily
>>> changed that situation.  Hope this information will be of use to some of
>>> you.  Best,
>>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande
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