[INDOLOGY] amrita

[Dipak Bhattacharya]

<In the RV many adjectives are used as more or less abstract terms, for
example the adjective which refers to cows and dawns (*usriya*) or to
horses and Soma (hari).>

I welcome Professor Jurewicz for her views that I have known for some time
and for her bold statement. I do not hesiatete to state that the
observation covers a large part of the Rigveda. But one may note that
Oldenberg had an approach that harped on concretenss. Klaus Mylius and here
Sukumari Bhattacharji stuck to that idea of concreteness.  On personal
conversation I understood that the latter see that there is no well-defined
and accepted methodology for pinpointing what is abstract and what is not
and one may be carried away by preconceived ideas like Coomaraswamy. While
personally congratulating Professor Jurewicz, I still hope to see a
successful attempt to find a methodology that is acceptable to the majority.

I am sorry for the long lecture.

Best

DB

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
wrote:

> Dear Artur,
>
> In the RV many adjectives are used as more or less abstract terms, for
> example the adjective which refers to cows and dawns (usriya) or to horses
> and Soma (hari). Amrta functions in the same way. It refers to Somic
> exultation and to the state given thanks to it. It is shared in that there
> are those who constantly partake in it (the gods and rsis) and those who
> partake in it temporarily (men). The supernatural cognition is conceived in
> terms of fight so in that it is fought for. Possibly, there are stanzas
> which may imply that it is used in reference to Somic juice (so to the
> substance) but this needs checking.
>
> Best,
>
> Joanna
>
>
> ---
> dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz, prof. UW
> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia
> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28
> 00-927 Warszawa
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>
> 2016-01-08 9:37 GMT+01:00 Christophe Vielle <
> christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>:
>
>> Dear Arthur,
>> did you look at :
>> • Jarl Charpentier, *Die Suparṇasage. Untersuchungen zur altindischen
>> Literatur- und Sagengeschichte*, Uppsala: Α. Β. Akademiska Bokhandeln -
>> Leipzig: Otto Harrassowitz, 1922, in-8°, 399 pp.
>> on the legend of Suparṇa stealing the soma/amṛta according to the Suparṇ
>> ādhyāya etc.
>> Cf. review by P.E. Dumont:
>> http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/rbph_0035-0818_1923_num_2_4_6264_t1_0713_0000_1
>> Maybe also something to find on the "ambrosia cycle" in :
>> • Georges Dumézil, *Le Festin d'immortalité. Étude de mythologie
>> comparée indo-européenne*, Paris, Annales du Musée Guimet, Bibliothèque
>> d'études 34.
>> Best wishes,
>> Christophe
>>
>> Le 7 janv. 2016 à 20:52, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> a écrit :
>>
>> My heartfelt thanks to Lubomir, Dipak and George for their comments and
>> suggestions.
>>
>> However,  there is a however: I am especially interested in any
>> *pre-Mahabharatic *(if I may say so) mentions of amrita as an object of
>> contention, strife - something that is, independently of its supposed
>> material form (liquid, metal, plant), fought for, stolen, divided,
>> distributed, shared.
>>
>> Thanks, once more,
>>
>> Artur Karp
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