[INDOLOGY] Second-syllable rhyme in Dravidian

[Nagaraj Paturi]

>>a difficult problem concerning those questions is how far back in time we
can go for the various languages concerned.

The use of echo-word formation and reduplication may have been on the
increase as time moved on ...

Both may have been less frequent in the past.

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True. But the reference quoted by me includes pahari languages of
Uttaranchal in the case of which Dravidian influence is less likely.


On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> True. But the reference quoted by me includes pahari languages of
> Uttaranchal in the case of which Dravidian influence is less likely.
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jean-Luc Chevillard <
> jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
>
>> Dear Professor Nagaraj Paturi,
>>
>> a difficult problem concerning those questions is how far back in time we
>> can go for the various languages concerned.
>>
>> The use of echo-word formation and reduplication may have been on the
>> increase as time moved on ...
>>
>> Both may have been less frequent in the past.
>>
>> I have tried to gather the evidence for the Tamil language of various
>> periods in the following two published articles:
>>
>> ******
>> 1.
>> **************
>> "https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00671107"
>> (Ideophones in Tamil: Historical observations on the morphology of X-eṉal
>> expressives)
>> (17th European Conference on Modern South Asian Studies Heidelberg, 2002)
>> [see for instance the chart on page 7,
>> where I summarize my examination of 613 items taken from MTL
>> and find that:
>> 235 are simple
>> 301 have reduplication
>> 77 have "echo"
>>
>>
>> ******
>> 2.
>> ****************
>> "
>> https://www.academia.edu/4167141/Ideophones_in_Tamil_a_historical_perspective_on_the_X-enal_expressives_ஒலிக_குறிப_பாற_றுப_படை_Olikkuṟippu_Āṟṟuppaṭai_
>> "
>>
>> ((Ideophones in Tamil: a historical perspective on the X-enal
>> expressives, (ஒலிக்குறிப்பாற்றுப்படை [Olikkuṟippu Āṟṟuppaṭai])))
>> (contained in a book which came out in 2004)
>>
>>
>> Best wishes from Pondicherry
>>
>> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (CNRS)
>>
>>
>>
>> "https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard"
>>
>> "https://plus.google.com/u/0/113653379205101980081/posts/p/pub"
>>
>> "https://twitter.com/JLC1956"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/08/2015 12:42, Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
>>
>>> . echo reduplication is not specific to Dravidian. It is found in Hindi,
>>> Marathi, Punjabi and many other north Indian languages too. In an
>>> article on "Reduplication and echo words in Hindi/Urdu",
>>>
>>> https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00449691/document
>>>
>>>   Annie Montaut, Inalco, Paris  says, "Reduplication is a pan-Indian
>>> phenomenon regularly quoted as one of the dozen features accounting for
>>> the consistency of the South Asian linguistic area " citing Massica
>>> 1992, Emeneau 1980 in the endnote.
>>> In the section dealing with echo reduplication, the author says,
>>>
>>> "Such a phenomena is omnipresent in all the so-called “dialects” or
>>> regional varieties of Hindi, although it often displays a consonant
>>> different from the v- used in Standard Hindi : In Panjabi and
>>> Panjabi-ized Hindi for instance sh- is used to derive F’ (matlab-shatlab
>>> “signification”, with some of such formations quasi lexicalized
>>> (gap-conversation- shap, ‘gossiping, talking’) ; in the Pahari
>>> (mountain) speeches, h- or ph- is used with the same function
>>> (lenîn-henîn, rûs-hûs, ishk-phishk ‘love-etc"
>>>
>>> end note to this says,
>>>
>>> "Pahari (« mountain») speeches include mainly Garhwali and Kumaoni. ishk
>>> transcribes the native prononciation of ishq. This type of echo is even
>>> panindian (Emeneau 1980), with various consonants used for the first
>>> consonant in F’, such as g- in Telugu (puli-guli « flower »)."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prof.Nagaraj Paturi
>>> Hyderabad-500044
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Prof.Nagaraj Paturi
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>



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