[INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8

Sun Nov 9 21:45:41 UTC 2014

Dear Harry--
Mana is indeed an “extended family house” in that it refers to a Nampūtiri Brahmin estate and all it encompasses (landholdings, temple, residential structures, residents). But the term simultaneously serves to identify the Nampūtiri patrilineal descent group who own the estate and/or have an ancestral connection to it. Pedagogical and priestly lineages are determined by a Nampūtiri’s birth into the mana: thus, members of a given mana specialise in the texts and rituals of a particular Vedic branch and officiate by hereditary right in particular contexts. For example, Neḍumpiḷḷi Mana is associated with the (very rare) branch of the Black Yajurveda, Vādhūla; the family also plays a supervisory role in  temple worship across Kerala. That mana has an extensive library of manuscripts, which Yasuke Ikari, Masato Fujii (Kyoto University), and Mieko Kajihara (Tokyo University) have been documenting for many years now.

You can find more information and references in Marjatta Parpola’s Kerala Brahmins in Transition: A Study of a Nampūtiri Family, Studia Orientalia 91, Helsinki 2000.

yours,
Finnian
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Finnian M. M. Gerety
Doctoral Candidate, Department of South Asian Studies
Harvard University
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Today's Topics:

  1. What is a "Mana" ? (Harry Spier)
  2. Re: What is a "Mana" ? (Elliot Stern)
  3. Visuddhimagga (Dominik Wujastyk)
  4. Re: prayogamukha (Madhav Deshpande)

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 14:22:53 -0500
From: Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
To: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: [INDOLOGY] What is a "Mana" ?
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Dear list members,

We have some old microfilm in our archives which is labelled as having been
taken some at Nedumpilli Mana, Taikkat Mana and Kavapramarth Mana.

I've found this website "Famous Manas in Kerala"
http://www.karmakerala.com/guide/famous-manas-in-kerala-guide.html

which lists Nedumpilli Mana amoung others but I'm still not clear what
exactly is meant by a "Mana".  Is it an extended family home?, the center
of a religious sect?, a religious school? or something else.

Apologies if this is an elementary question, any help would be appreciated.

Harry Spier
Manager, Muktabodha Digital Library
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:42:50 -0500
From: Elliot Stern <emstern at verizon.net>
To: Indology Indology listserve <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] What is a "Mana" ?
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Generally, a mana is a Nambutiri brahman house.  According to http://malayalamenglishdictionary.com:
?? (mana)
house, abode, house of a Malayali Brahmin, wife.

Elliot M. Stern
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On 09 Nov  2014, at 14:22, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members,

We have some old microfilm in our archives which is labelled as having been taken some at Nedumpilli Mana, Taikkat Mana and Kavapramarth Mana.

I've found this website "Famous Manas in Kerala"
http://www.karmakerala.com/guide/famous-manas-in-kerala-guide.html

which lists Nedumpilli Mana amoung others but I'm still not clear what exactly is meant by a "Mana".  Is it an extended family home?, the center of a religious sect?, a religious school? or something else.

Apologies if this is an elementary question, any help would be appreciated.

Harry Spier
Manager, Muktabodha Digital Library
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 21:44:20 +0100
From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Visuddhimagga
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The Visuddhimagga was edited and then published twice in Roman script in
the first half of the 20th century.  By Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids for the
PTS, published 1920 & 1921, and by Henry Clarke Warren for HOS,
posthumously published in 1950.  Neither edition refers to the other.

Did Warren not know about Caroline Rhys Davids' work?  Warren met him in
Oxford in 1884, as Lanman's *Memorial* notes, and was greatly influenced by
him.  Warren's work was done long  before that of Caroline Rhys Davids,
since Warren died in 1899.  But why wouldn't Dharmananda Kosambi have
mentioned Caroline RD's edition in his 1927 preface to Warren's?  It's
understandable that Warren's brother Edward wouldn't have known about
Caroline RD's edition, when he wrote his pathetic Foreword in 1927, since
he was not an indologist.  Why did Warren's edition take 23 years to be
printed, even after Kosambi had finished his editing of the MS?  1950 looks
like five years after the war, which is understandable.  But that doesn't
explain the twelve years of inaction before the war (and after the
editing).  Since Warren had paid for the HOS to exist, one would have
thought some priority might have been given to publishing his work.

And why didn't Caroline RD mention Warren's work?  Warren had used one of
her husband's manuscripts of the VM, so there would surely have been some
awareness of Warren's work.  And Thomas Rhys Davids was alive until the end
of 1922, and was aware of his wife's work on the VM, since she gave him
some pages for checking, some time before the end of 1920 (mentioned in her
foreword).  Caroline RD also knew that Warren had published an subject
analysis of the VM in the JPTS in 1892, but appears not to know his article
"Buddhaghosa's VM" of the same year, or his "Report of Progress" on his
work on the VM, published in 1894.   She mentions Warren in her afterword
on p. 767, but only as the author of Buddh. in Tr. (1896), which
incidentally contains a 50 passages  translated from the VM.

Has someone worked out all these matters?  I would have expected ?anamoli
to say something about this in his translation, but he doesn't.  He just
says he's using both editions.  Perhaps there are book reviews from the
later 1920s or 1950s that explain matters, I haven't looked yet.

Has anyone systematically compared the two editions for variants?  Caroline
RD's edition is a reproduction of four earlier printed editions, two from
Rangoon, two from Ceylon; Warren worked from MSS, two Burmese and two from
Ceylon.  One of Warrens' MSS came from the India Office and one from T RD's
private collection, as mentioned, so it must have been known in England,
and to T RD, that he was working on this text.

Best,
Dominik
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 07:11:39 -0500
From: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
To: Andrey Klebanov <andra.kleb at gmail.com>,
"indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] prayogamukha
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Dear Mr. Andrey Klevanov,

I have attached the pdf of V?rarucasa?graha published in the Trivandrum
Sanskrit Series.  If you receive digital versions of any of the other
editions, please forward them to me.  Thanks.

Madhav Deshpande

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Andrey Klebanov <andra.kleb at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear members of the list,

being aware of how slim the chances for the success of my query actually
are, I, nevertheless, would like to ask, if anyone of you may have a
digital copy of this book:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/prayoga-pallavah-vararucikrta-prayogasangraha-tadvyakhyanabhuta-dharmakrttikrta-prayogamukha-paramesvarajhakrta-prayogadarpaneti-granthadvayatmakaparisistavibhusitah-visvesvaramisrakrta-prayogapallava-vyakhyopetah/oclc/311561933
or, in fact, of any other edition of the text known under various names as
prayogamukha-[ma??ala/ ma??ana], prayogasa?graha, v?rarucasa?graha,
k?rakacakra etc.

thank you very much in advance,

Andrey Klebanov

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