AW: bhAgavatapurANa - translation question - what does zUla mean?

[McComas Taylor]

सर्वेभ्यो मित्रेभ्यो नमो नमः।
शूल इति पदस्य विषये कोटिशो धन्यवादः।
इति
mcc

Many thanks to all those kind folk who helped me with this question

McC

Stella Sandahl wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> It is most distressing to see that van Buitenen so flagrantly violates 
> [my] translation rule number 1, which is 'if it sounds absurd, it is 
> wrong'. Tagare's translation seems more accurate, although aTTa could 
> be rendered as markets rather than food. So the meaning will then be 
> that in Kali yuga there is rampant capitalism, peddling of Vedas at 
> the crossroads, and the women are harlots. At least that makes sense.
> Clearly, a semantic study of the the word zUla is in order.
> Stella Sandahl
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>
> On 25-Jun-07, at 9:57 AM, Dr. Chlodwig H. Werba wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleague,
>> The stanza, of which Dr. McComas Taylor gives his transcription, is 
>> the 36th
>> of the first Adhyaaya, called Bhaktinaaradasamaagama, of the
>> Bhaagavatamaahaatmya, i.e. BhaaM I 36. The oldest variant of this 
>> floating
>> stanza (further parallels in EDS II/865a) seems to be Mahaabhaarata 
>> (MBh)
>> III 186,36:
>> a.t.ta;suulaa janapadaa.h, ;siva;suulaa;s catu.spathaa.h /
>> ke;sa;sulaa.h striyo raajan, bhavi.syanti yugak.saye //,
>> of which van Buitenen (p. 587) gives the following translation (being 
>> worth
>> its name): "At the end of the Eon the countryside will bristle with 
>> towers,
>> the crossroads with jackals, the women with hair, O king".
>> Best wishes
>> ;Srutavega.
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Indology [mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Horacio
>> Francisco Arganis Juarez
>> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Juni 2007 14:39
>> An: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>> Betreff: Re: bhAgavatapurANa - translation question - what does zUla 
>> mean?
>>
>> Dear Professor:
>> Can you said me from what book or canto is this quote?
>> Thanks very much.
>> Horacio Francisco Arganis-Juarez
>> IBCH-IEFAC-U A de C.
>>
>>> -----Mensaje Original-----
>>> Desde: McComas Taylor [mailto:mccomas.taylor at ANU.EDU.AU]
>>> Enviado: Lunes 25 de Junio de 2007 02:49 AM
>>> Para: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>> Tema: bhAgavatapurANa - translation question - what does zUla mean?
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues
>>>
>>> The description of the Kali yuga in BhP (0.1.36, paNDita-pustakAlaya
>>> ed.) states that:
>>>
>>> aTTazUlA janapadAH zivazUlA dvijAtayaH . kAminyaH kezazUlinyaH
>>> sambhavanti kalAviha
>>>
>>> Tagare's translation says 'In this Kali age, the country will be 
>>> full of
>>> people who sell food, BrAhmaNas, selling the Vedas and women living by
>>> prostitution' (lxxv).
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me get 'selling food' out of aTTazUla, 'selling Vedas'
>>> out of zivazUla and 'prostitution/selling hair' out of kezazUla?
>>>
>>> thanks in advance
>>>
>>> McComas
>>>
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