Tilak reference?

Madhav Deshpande mmdesh at UMICH.EDU
Wed Nov 2 03:20:19 UTC 2005

"Chaldean and Indian Vedas" by B.G. Tilak, originally published in the Bhandarkar Commemoration Volume, 1917, reprinted in B.G. Tilak's posthumously published book: Vedic Chronology and Vedanga Jyotisha, 1925, published by Messrs Tilak Bros, Gaikwar Wada, Pune, pp. 125-144, followed by "opinions of well-known Assyrian scholars" on this article.
Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor of Sanskrit & Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1285, USA


From: Indology on behalf of George Thompson
Sent: Tue 11/1/2005 8:45 PM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Tilak reference?

Many thanks to Madhav and David.  This is the article that I need to
cite.  Madhav, would you please forward the page numbers from that
publication when you have the time?  What is of interest in this article
is that it claims that the Babylonian god Tiamat is referred to at AVZ
5.13.4 with the word *taimAta'*, apparently a water-snake of some sort. 
The article also claims that the Babylonian goddess Apsu  is referred to
in a number of Vedic apsu-compounds.

As it turns out, an intrepid comparatist has recently used these, um,
fanciful etymologies to support his claim that there was  a significant
diffusion channel connecting Babylonian mythology not only to the Indus
Valley Culture, but also to Vedic.  My article attempts to debunk this

Also, another curiosity in this AVZ hymn: the presence of the obscure
term *tAbu'va* at AVZ 5.13.10, which seems to refer to another snake, or
a snake-demon, or snake-poison.  Nevertheless, it used to be suggested
that it is a certain Polynesian word, which has surfaced in English as

Human imagination is a marvelous thing!

Thanks again to David and Madhav,


Madhav Deshpande wrote:

>I don't have access to the original publication of this piece by Tilak, but this article titled "Chaldean and the Indian Vedas" (originally published in the Bhandarkar Commemorative Volume) was reprinted in his posthumous book Vedic Chronology and Vedanga Jyotisha, 1925, Pune: Messrs Tilak Brothers, Gaikwar Wada.  If you need, I can give page numbers from this publication.
>Madhav M. Deshpande
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology on behalf of George Thompson
>Sent: Tue 11/1/2005 11:51 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Tilak reference?
>Dear List,
>I am in the process of reading the proofs of an article that I have
>written.  The editors would like a full reference to the following.
>In Keith's *Religion & Philosophy of the Veda & Upanisads* vol. p. 81 n.
>2, there is reference to an article by Tilak in *The Bhandarkar
>Commemorative Volume*, pp. 32 ff.  Would anyone on the list know full
>title of the volume, with date, the name of the article and the pages
>numbers occupied by it?
>Thanks in advance for help.
>George Thompson

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