stock phrase about women?

Jonathan Silk silk at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU
Tue Mar 9 06:36:12 UTC 2004

Has anyone seen (other than in the story of Utpalavarna in the
Mulasarvastivada Vinaya) a phrase, purported to be canonical ("The
Blessed One said:"):

Women bind men in eight ways: by dance, song, music, laughter,
crying, appearance, touch [and here's the troublesome one] questions

The last item in Tibetan (all we have here) is rma 'byed pa, which
might mean to ask a question, but more commonly, to wound.

Any references much appreciated (and  apologies for cross-listing to
H-Buddhism and Indology)--JAS
Jonathan Silk
Department of Asian Languages & Cultures
Center for Buddhist Studies
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Box 951540
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1540
phone: (310)206-8235
fax:  (310)825-8808
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