Fwd: Re: Question on Marathi phonology--Second Try

[Madhav Deshpande]

Thanks, Hans.  It makes sense.  Best,

Madhav

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From: Indology on behalf of Hans Henrich Hock
Sent: Sun 8/22/2004 5:36 PM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject:      Re: Fwd: Re: Question on Marathi phonology--Second Try
 
As it turns out, Madhav, in Marathi words of more than one 
syllable, long and short [u] have merged to short [u] (and 
similarly for the [i]-vowels); see Jules Bloch, Formation 
..., §44. So that takes care of the length problem (and shows 
that the concern in my earlier message about vowel length 
does not apply to Marathi). 

Bloch, incidentally, in his index under tuTNeM directly 
compares Panj. tuTT-, Hindi tUT-, and derives all from Skt. 
truTyati (via Pkt. tuTTai).

All the best,

Hans

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:09:41 -0400
>From: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at UMICH.EDU>  
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Question on Marathi phonology--Second 
Try  
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>
>Hello Hans,
>
>     The Marathi verbs tuT and phuT have short vowels, in 
contrast with the Hindi verbs TUT and phUT.  The related 
Sanskrit forms (as per Panini's dhAtupATha) are:
>
>truTati/troTayati; Whitney also lists truTyati and truDyeyuH
>
>sphoTati/sphuTati/sphoTayati; Here Whitney does not list 
sphuTyati
>
>The dhAtupATha also lists a sphuDati (with sphoDayati as its
>causative), suggesting that such voicing was dialectally 
already
>underway. But this does not explain the contrast seen in the
>Marathi forms.  
>
>Madhav
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Indology on behalf of Hans Henrich Hock
>Sent: Sun 8/22/2004 11:17 AM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject:      Fwd: Re: Question on Marathi phonology--Second 
Try
> 
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:13:35 -0500
>>From: Hans Henrich Hock <hhhock at uiuc.edu>
>>Subject: Re: Question on Marathi phonology
>>To: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>>Bcc: hhhock at uiuc.edu
>>
>>Isn't the vowel in things like tuT, phuT long?  At any 
rate,
>>the explanation would seem to be that forms of this type go
>>back to the quasi-reflexive type _t(r)uTyati/te_, while the
>>type toD in principle goes back to structures like
>>_t(r)oTati_ (with no doubt some morphologicization and
>>subsequent extension of the intransitive : transitive
>>pattern).  In the first type, _Ty_ yielded MIAr. _TT_ which
>>in most of ModIAr. produces single _T_ with compensatory
>>lengthening of the preceding vowel (hence my question about
>>the vowel length).  In the second type, _T_ underwent
>regular
>>intervocalic weakening, leading to _D_ in Marathi-type
>>languages, and _R_ in Hindi-type languages (with further
>>development to _r_ in Eastern Gangetic).
>>
>>I hope this will be helpful.
>>
>>Hans
>>
>>---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:20:19 -0400
>>>From: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at UMICH.EDU>
>>>Subject: Re: Question on Marathi phonology
>>>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>
>>>In Marathi, an Indo-Aryan language, we find pairs of verbs
>>like:
>>>
>>>tuT = to break (intransitive)
>>>toD = to break (transitive)
>>>phuT = to break (intransitive)
>>>phoD = to break (transitive)
>>>
>>>Is there any explanation of the voicing in the transitive
>>verbs vs lack of voicing in the intransitive verbs?  In the
>>Sanskrit antecedents of these verbs, the vowel of the
>>intransitive verbs remains unaccented, while the vowel of
>the
>>transitive verbs is accented.  It is well understood that
>the
>>accents are related to the u/o alternation, but what might
>>lead to voicing?  The voiced/voiceless alternation is not
>>seen in Sanskrit in the same environment.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Madhav Deshpande
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