Winword 97 diacritics-problems

Tue Jun 17 04:24:58 UTC 1997

I have also had difficulty with non-MS fonts and Word 7.0/Office 97, the 
biggest being that writing wraps around at the end of a line instead of 
breaking at word divisions.  Another problem I had was that I could not 
convert from non-MS fonts to MS fonts, but I got around this (I think by 
applying a template with the MS font).  I've been using Times New Roman 
with inserted Nina characters, which is not a bad looking solution if you 
use the TNR long vowels available from the extended character sets.

Some problems do stem from the fact that Office 97 does not want the same 
position used for different characters.  You may be able to get around some 
of your problems by applying a template.  Your problem with Courier just 
sounds bizarre!

At the suggestion of a  list member I contacted some folks at Microsoft and 
I received the following reply:

Hello, thanks for the email.

If you'll send me a list of the characters (or glyphs) needed I'll see
what I can do.

Do you ONLY care about transliteratation, or are you also interested in
display of Indic languages in their native scripts? I am working on a
project to enable this in a future version of Windows NT.

F. Avery Bishop
Complex Script Enabling
averyb at microsoft.com
206-703-3905

I am going to send him a list of characters that I would like to see, and I 
would appreciate it if you would take a look at it first.  I originally 
hoped to include characters for standard transliterations for all Indian 
languages, but I realized that this would involve too much research on my 
part.  Instead I want to cover only Vedic and classical Sanskrit, Pali, and 
other Prakrits.

Vowels:
R, L with small circle underneath
R, L with small circle underneath and A, I, and U: all five with macron 
(extended lists already include A, I, and U with macron)

All vowels should be available with acute and grave accents.
Ideally, vowels with macrons should also be available with combination of 
macron and cup/candra [what is this called?] indicating either long or 
short vowel.

Consonants:
T, D, N, S, M, L, H with dot underneath
N with dot above
S with acute accent (already included in extended lists)
N with tilde (already standard)

[Should the list also include m with candrabindu or does this indicate the 
same sound as m with dot?]

James Egge
University of Chicago
e-mail: egge at midway.uchicago.edu

-----Original Message-----
From:	Birgit Kellner [SMTP:kellner at ipc.hiroshima-u.ac.jp]
Sent:	Monday, June 16, 1997 12:20 PM
To:	Members of the list
Subject:	Winword 97 diacritics-problems

I have recently upgraded a computer to (Japanese) Windows 95 and find
that Winword 97 behaves quite erratically with my diacritics fonts. Two
problems:

(1) Previously, I used a slight modification of Norman-TTFs with Word 6.
I have transported some macros to Winwrd 97, which I use to convert my
documents into ASCII-diacritics-conventions (Kyoto-Harvard and such). I
find, now, when I run those macros which convert ASCII-documents into
(slightly modified) NORMAN-TTFs that certain characters just won't
display right. These are always the same characters, and I am starting
to suspect that Winword 97 has some secret rule about character
positions. Might this have anything to do with the lauded implementation
of Unicode? Or is it, again, a by-product of two-byte-encoding? Just to
stress this: Characters are rightly treated (I can search for them with
the correct ANSI-numbers), but not properly displayed. The only way to
get them right is by manually overwrite them ...

(2) I have transported a group of documents which share a template from
Winword 6 to Word 97. Some of the diacritics display as rectangles. Even
when I try to input them manually, they only come out as rectangles. The
character table displays rectangles in their position as well. The only
way to get them right is to manually paste them into the document from
some other file.

Is is possible that the modifications I have carried out with Norman
have resulted in low quality, and that the erratic behaviour described
above simply expresses Winword's contempt for my poorly designed fonts?

On top of all this, since yesterday, standard-viewing has decided to
display all fonts as Courier. The layout-mode displays as it should, so
what's wrong now?

I would really appreciate hints from other Word-users who may have had
similar experiences. Replies via privae e-mail are perhaps more
appropriate, I could then post information of general interest to the
list later on.

Thanks in advance.

--
Birgit Kellner
Department for Indian Philosophy
Hiroshima University

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