[INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book

Harry Spier vasishtha.spier at gmail.com
Wed May 27 15:37:59 EDT 2020

Thank you to everyone for this information and the book references.  A
little reading for the summer.
Harry Spier

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:25 AM Christophe Vielle <
christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:

> See also the Indology List 2012 thread on "*Flipback books or the Pothi
> form for Roman characters"*
> Début du message réexpédié :
> *De: *Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
> *Objet: **Rép : [INDOLOGY] Flipback books or the Pothi form for Roman
> characters*
> *Date: *20 juillet 2012 à 18:53:54 UTC+2
> *À: *Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> Apparently (according to the 'thisbloglife' article, and also by the
> licences or contracts made with only selected publishers on the different -
> English, French, Spanish - markets), there seems to be a copyright on the
> design itself (beside the fact that 'Dwarsligger' is itself a Dutch
> registred trademark): according to a Wiki article (written by the
> publisher, except a line added by me...) for the ".2 Point Deux" French
> series of "ultra-poches" (http://www.editionspoint2.com/), "La Martinière
> Groupe a décidé de racheter les droits du format pour la France au début de
> l'année 2010 et pour deux ans", and the printing itself remains made by
> Jongbloed ("Les textes sont imprimés sur du papier-bible par l'inventeur
> hollandais"), see:  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Deux
> The precise terms of the copyright seem not available.
> Le 20 juil. 2012 à 18:35, Dominik Wujastyk a écrit :
> I think you're right, Christophe.  The widespread use of this format in
> India arguably constitutes "prior art
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art>".  But Jongbloed may have
> genuinely invented a novel spine and binding, I don't know.  If Jongbloed
> tried to sue Khemaraja Shreekrishnadas on the physical format, I think the
> might fail.  It would only arise if KS tried to compete.  Seems highly
> unlikely :-)   Is the claim for copyright on the design, or a registered
> trademark on the names, rather?  I didn't see a copyright claim in the
> links you posted.
> Dominik
> On 20 July 2012 16:36, Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
>  wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> In reading the article "Flipback books: new direction of dead end"
>> http://www.thisbloglife.com/2012/07/flipback-books-new-direction-or-dead-end/
>> I was astonished to hear that the Dutch publishing company "Jongbloed" (
>> http://www.jongbloed.com/) had attached a copyright to the Dwarsligger® book
>> format (http://www.dwarsligger.com/ or http://www.dwarsligger.nl/) they
>> pretend to have created in 2009 (see the interview of their international
>> marketing manager at
>> http://laurastanfill.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/the-flipback-part-2/
>> or, in Dutch, of the general manager at
>> http://www.amboanthos.com/Uploads/pdf/090828%20boekblad%20artikel.pdf :
>> "the greatest book-innovation after Gutenberg"), and which is known on the
>> English speaking market as the Flipback format (Hodder & Stoughton
>> Publ.), or in French as "ultra- or hyper-poche" (La Martinière Publ.).
>> I wonder what's the difference with the Pothi form used in Indian
>> printing since the 19th century and still in use in publishing houses like
>> the Venkateswara Press in Mumbai (see the smallest pocket Bhagavadgita
>> available in Flipback/Pothi form at http://www.khe-shri.com/khemraj.htm).
>> Can this Western (at least Dutch...) commercial capture (this is not very
>> Christian for a Bible publisher...) of an Indian design remain without
>> reaction?
>> Best wishes,
>> Christophe Vielle
> Le 27 mai 2020 à 01:12, Eric Gurevitch via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a écrit :
> There is also a useful discussion of both Tibetan xylographs and Colonial
> lithographs vis-a-vis pothī and codex formatting in the following chapter,
> which also cites Rocher and Rocher's *Making of Western Indology*, p. 74:
> Formigatti, Camillo A. 2016. “A Forgotten Chapter in South Asian Book
> History? A Bird’s Eye View of Sanskrit Print Culture.” In *Tibetan
> Printing: Comparison, Continuities, and Change*, edited by Hildegard
> Diemberger, Franz-Karl Ehrhard, and Peter Kornicki, 72–134.
> All the best,
> Eric
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM rrocher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> That was the format of all the early editions of Sanskrit texts published
>> by the Sanskrit Press initiated in Calcutta in 1806 under the aegis of H.T.
>> Colebrooke and managed by his personal librarian Bābūrāma. They have been
>> described as as valuable as incunables.
>> Rosane Rocher
>> On 5/26/20 5:37 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
>> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
>> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
>> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
>> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
>> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
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> Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science
> University of Chicago
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