[INDOLOGY] Retroflexion and gender in viruses

Madhav Deshpande mmdesh at umich.edu
Mon Mar 30 09:12:04 EDT 2020


I don't know what Pāṇini would have done, koroṇā/koronā, masculine or
feminine.  There are exceptions to the retroflexion rules even in single
words  [as क्षुभ्नादिषु च ८।४।३९. न इति वर्तते। क्षुभ्ना इत्येवम् आदिषु
शब्देषु नकारस्य णकारदेशो न भवति। क्षुभ्नाति।].  In any case, importing an
expression from a modern language into Sanskrit, one represents it as one
hears it around.  Around me here in San Jose, I don't hear the retroflex.
But either representation is fine with me.  In early Marathi writings, the
name of Mountstuart Elphinstone was written as मौन्त स्त्युवर्त
एलफिन्स्तन.  In more recent Marathi writings, I see मौंट स्टुअर्ट
एलफिन्स्टन, and the more Apabhramsha version was known as इष्टुर फाकडा. I
write कॅलिफोर्निया.  No retroflexion there.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:43 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

> That is, writing Sanskrit - not Hindi -  we should prefer the spelling
> कोरोणा. With the nirukti kora-ūna this would denote something even less
> or smaller than a bud, no?
>
> Regarding Bhāmaha, most of us would still prefer a grammatical error to
> a virus infection, I guess:
>
> एकः प्रतिदिनं श्लोकः कोरोणां हि निवारयेत् ।
> सुप्तिङन्तादिदोषे ऽपि शोधनीये ऽप्रयासतः ।
> इत्युक्तमवरुद्धेन स्वगृहे कविमेदिना ॥
>
> "A stanza a day keeps the virus away --
> even if there may be a grammatical error, which can easily be
> corrected."
> This was said by a friend of the kavis secluded in his own house.
>
> Just my two (and a half) cents.
> Best,
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 30.03.2020 11:02, schrieb John Lowe via INDOLOGY:
> > I don't currently have access to my books and papers, but I believe
> > for Panini the only optionality or exceptions to nati all involve
> > morphological boundaries - either nominal compounding, or preverb-verb
> > compounding.
> >
> > Are there any genuine examples of exceptions/optionality of nati not
> > involving a morphological boundary (parallel to the many exceptions to
> > ruki, like _kusuma-_)?
> >
> > If we could split Korona- into something like Kora-una-, then perhaps
> > we could have the optionality; but then again for Panini, the tendency
> > is that compounds forming names are more disposed to nati than freely
> > formed compounds, so even as a compound name we would expect the
> > retroflex, I think.
> >
> > John
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> > Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> > Sent: 29 March 2020 05:22
> > To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
> > Cc: indology at list.indology.info <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
> > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Retroflexion and gender in viruses
> >
> > Dear Harry,
> >
> >      There are similar alternating usages found in Sanskrit as well
> > and authorized by Panini, for example -
> >
> > विभाषौषधिवनस्पतिभ्यः
> > ८।४।६
> >
> > काशिकावृत्ति - वनम्
> > इत्येव। ओषधिवाचि यत्
> > पूर्वपदं वनस्पतिवाचि च
> > तत्स्थान्
> > निमित्तादुत्तरस्य
> > वननकारस्य णकार आदेशो भवति
> > विभाषा। ओषधिवाचिभ्यस्
> > तावत् दूर्वावणम्,
> > दूर्वावनम्। मूर्वावणम्,
> > मूर्वावनम्। वनस्पतिभ्यः
> > शिरीषवणम्, शिरीषवनम्।
> > बदरीवणम्, बदरीवनम्।
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:46 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Mathew Kapstein: कोरोण
> >> Others कोरोना
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:08 AM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY
> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>
> >>> With so many mahākavi-s on this list, you will have to forgive
> >>> me this silly amateurism (with Tibetan translation):
> >>>
> >>> कोरोणराक्षसं दृष्ट्वा
> >>> रामोऽकरोच्चिन्तामेव।
> >>> क्लीबमूर्खतर एष अथवा
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > ར་མ་ཎ་ཡིས་བསམ་བློ་བྱེད།།
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > ཆེས་ཞན་བླུན་པོ་ཡིན་པའམ།།
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>> Matthew
> >>>
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