[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

Lubin, Tim LubinT at wlu.edu
Thu Aug 29 07:14:16 EDT 2019


Martin, have you consulted the old collections of Tamil Proverbs by Jensen and Percival.  Many proverbs therein mention Śani/Saturn, but looking quickly I do not see the one you mention.

They are available from Google Books and Archive.org.

Best,
Tim


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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Martin Gansten <martingansten at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 7:03 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I
was simply interested in having the existence of this expression
confirmed and learning how widespread it might be.

Best wishes,
Martin G.

Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY:
If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century
people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the
answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the
same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world

If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in
ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the
earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram

See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
which starts with:

வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும், உடனே
ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.

You can see சனி in the second line

There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of
Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la
literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie,
Pondichéry, 1967-1970)

One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple
described in

https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf

I hope this is useful

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956





On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta
/[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:

Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in
the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)

Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have
not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my
languages.

Best wishes,
Martin Gansten


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