[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

Jean-Luc Chevillard jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr
Thu Aug 29 06:33:25 EDT 2019


I now see that I should have written


> You can see சனி in the THIRD line


-- Jean-Luc Chevillard

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On 29/08/2019 12:25, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote:
> If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people 
> in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is 
> probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief 
> in other parts of India or other parts of the world
> 
> If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in 
> ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest 
> reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram
> 
> See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
> which starts with:
> 
> வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
> மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
> ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும், உடனே
> ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.
> 
> You can see சனி in the second line
> 
> There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of Tamil 
> literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature 
> tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie, Pondichéry, 1967-1970)
> 
> One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple 
> described in
> 
> https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf
> 
> I hope this is useful
> 
> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
> 
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta 
>> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
>>
>>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in 
>>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
>>
>> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have 
>> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my 
>> languages.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Martin Gansten
>>
>>
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