[INDOLOGY] Information sought regarding Telugu "Saccra" (cakra)

patrick mccartney psdmccartney at gmail.com
Wed Oct 12 05:29:17 EDT 2016


Once again Nataraj, thank you for helping me out.

On 12 Oct 2016 7:48 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Patrick,
>
> There are books called Bija (Beeja) Nighantus or Bijakshara Nighantus
> Maatrikaa Nighantus etc. which provide such 'meanings' for all the
> 'letters' of the Sanskrit VaarNa maala.
>
> Sample discussion may be found here
> <http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjZ482U9tTPAhWKMo8KHX9lCKsQFggpMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvixra.org%2Fpdf%2F1507.0199v1.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF7aoxf_Hw11DZqVvlxAQRofVkOfQ&sig2=rEMqiFZhaxqVC4bXTvPPGw>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:52 AM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Speaking of chakras and letters, on pp 705-707 of Grierson's article on
>> the Sharada script https://archive.org/details/244194891OnTheSharadaAlph
>> abetJournalOfTheRoyalAsiaticSociety171916SirGeorgeGriersonKCIEMRAS
>> is an explanation of the metaphysics of the alphabet. Unfortunately,
>> there is only a discussion of the vowels and not the consonants, etc. It
>> seems that the file on archive is not complete. Even though the title page
>> says the last page is 708, it does seem to have an abrupt ending.
>>
>>
>> But
>>
>> On p 705 the following book is mentioned http://www.worldcat.
>> org/title/shiva-sutra-vimarsini-of-ksemaraja/oclc/21777974 - I'm
>> guessing this is the possible source for Grierson's discussion on the
>> alphabet. Unfortunately, the closest copy to me is about 5000 miles away.
>> Archive.org has two other books by the author, Iyengar,  but not this one.
>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Srini
>> vasa+Iyengar%2C+P.+T.%2C+1863-1931%22
>>
>>  Might you have a .pdf copy of this book?
>> The Shiva-sutra-vimarsinī of Ksemaraja (1912) by Iyengar
>>
>>
>>  I'd appreciate it if anyone might be able to help me find similar
>> discussions/information on the rest of the alphabet? If they are mentioned
>> in Ksemaraja's work, does anyone know exactly where? I had a quick look in
>> the śaktopāya section.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
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>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, <jacob at fabularasa.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Nagaraj,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your reading of the yantra, and for the confirmation
>>> that it is indeed a yantra (though I would still be curious to know if
>>> cakra is sometimes used with the same meaning). I am sure the museum will
>>> be most appreciate of the information.
>>>
>>> Also thanks to Arlo Griffiths for the references. A. A. Ślączka's
>>> original doctoral thesis can be downloaded from Leiden University here:
>>>
>>> https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/4581/
>>> total%20document.pdf?sequence=17
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Nagaraj Paturi skrev den 2016-10-11 22:04:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jacob,
>>>>
>>>> It is a Yantra. It has the word yantra inscribed on it.
>>>>
>>>> It has :
>>>>
>>>> యంత్రరాజాయ విద్మహి(sic)
>>>> మహాయంత్రాయ ధీమహి శం నో
>>>> యంత్రః ప్రచోదయాత్
>>>>
>>>> (yaṁtrarājāya vidmahi mahāyaṁtrāya dhīmahi śaṁ nō
>>>> yaṁtraḥ pracōdayāt )
>>>>
>>>> అస్మిన్  తాంబ్రయంత్రసుఖం
>>>> చిరం కర్తుం .... స్వాహా
>>>>
>>>> (asmin  tāṁbrayaṁtrasukhaṁ ciraṁ kartuṁ .... svāhā )
>>>>
>>>> హీం జ్వలాయ విద్మహి (sic)  మహా
>>>> శూలినే ధీమహి
>>>>
>>>> (hīṁ jvalāya vidmahi (sic)  mahā śūlinē dhīmahi )
>>>>
>>>> There is a mention of a deity called pratikriyāśūlin  in the
>>>> yantra.
>>>>
>>>> This may indicate that the yantra is meant to counter the action of
>>>> another supernatural power.
>>>>
>>>> If this guess is correct, it is usually not the kind used in the
>>>> pratśṭhā in a temple.
>>>>
>>>> The interpretation  " it is a Telugu "Saccra" (cakra) used to ward off
>>>> disease and spirits of possession" should be correct.
>>>>
>>>> Using yantras in the installation (pratśṭhā ) in a temple is a
>>>> usual practice. But this one does not seem to be of that kind.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:40 PM, <jacob at fabularasa.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bornholms Museum, located on the eponymous rock island in the Baltic
>>>>> Sea, asked me for clarification about the attached object. According
>>>>> to the registration notes, which probably date back about a hundred
>>>>> years, it is a Telugu "Saccra" (cakra) used to ward off disease and
>>>>> spirits of possession. It is also stated that cakras are generally
>>>>> installed below temple deities to empower the deity and attract
>>>>> people to the temple.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anybody knows the specific name of the cakra and any other
>>>>> details of its application, I would be happy to convey the
>>>>> information to the museum. I would also be interested to know what
>>>>> the distinction between a cakra and a yantra is in this context, and
>>>>> whether the installation of cakras/yantras to empower deities,
>>>>> attract people, or otherwise is indeed a general practice in Indian
>>>>> temples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Jacob
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
>>>>> PhD Fellow (Indology)
>>>>> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
>>>>> University of Copenhagen
>>>>> Denmark
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>
>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>
>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>
>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>
>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>
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> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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