FW: Deepa Mehta's _Fire_

Paul Kekai Manansala kekai at JPS.NET
Wed Jan 13 19:42:43 EST 1999


Erik Hoogcarspel wrote:
>
> Op woensdag, 13-jan-99 schreef Paul Kekai Manansala:
>
> PKM> I totally disagree with your views on Tantrism in China. The whole
> body
> PKM> of Japanese tantrism came first from China.  Also, Taoist ideas about
> PKM> sex may be different in some ways from those of Tantrism, but there
> are
> PKM> also many similarities that can hardly be found anywhere else.
>
> Wrong again, there've been quite a few orgiastic groups among the gnostics
> in Egypt (a certain Basilides was famous) and in the European middle ages,
> you can also find similarites in the lives of Greek Stoics.
>

Well, I wan't referring to "orgiastic groups."  I suppose they had these
in the Malay Archipelago and Tahiti as well.  The idea of yin-yang,
yab-yum, siva-sakti as related to ritual sex though is what I find
common.

> PKM> There is no need to refer me to "Tibetologists" or "Sinologists" if
> you
> PKM> by that you mean the standard Western views.  These are and have long
> PKM> been controlled by strong bias that do not allow openly for ideas that
> PKM> contradict their world view.  The latter tends to have a
> monodirectional
> PKM> and racial view of the flow of culture.
>
> That seems a strong bias to me, the more considering the fact that there are> quite a few Japanese and Chinese sinologists and Tibetologists (even an> occasional Tibetan has escaped the claws of the church and made a carreer> in science).

There are some Western scholars who would also agree with Tantric texts
regarding Mahacina as well as Indian, Tibetan and Chinese ones.  Samar
mentioned the works of one Indian sch>olar.

And you seem to forget that texts seldomly lie. If you read> Chinese and
>Tibetan texts there's little room for bias left.

The texts state that Tantrism or some doctrines in Tantrism come from
Mahacina.  I agree they don't lie.

 How open are> you for ideas that contradict you're worldview?
>

Probably more open than you.  I don't have as much invested in centuries
of racial science.

Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
There are some Western scholars who would also agree with Tantric texts
regarding Mahacina as well as Indian, Tibetan and Chinese ones.  Samar
mentioned the works of one Indian scholar.



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