Dear all,
I agree with Hans Henrich that Hindi-Urdu jigar is probably a
Persian borrowing.
In Persian, jigar is regular from a preform such as
yakar-(+ending).
Other IE cognates can be found in EWAia
(https://archive.org/details/mayrhofer-EWA/Mayrhofer_EWA%20v2%20%28na-ha%29%201996/),
of course.
The statement in "Claude" that "The initial *h₁y- became "y" in
Iranian languages" is true for Persian and some other Ir.
languages, but NOT true for Iranian in general.
Likewise incorrect are Middle Persian forms cited in this thread
that preserve the middle -k-. This changed to -g- before MP texts
start to be attested.
y- also changed to j- in some on IA, I think, but I don't know
whether any IA language would have regular jagr- from yakr.(t)-.
Here's the entry from Turner:
https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/soas_query.py?page=601
Best,
Agnes
No one said it is from Arabic. It could be from any of a number of languages. The point is that the west to east movement is plausible long before the Delhi Sultanate- something that is confirmed by numerous examples without awaiting my minor contribution.Matthew
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 18:51, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock@illinois.edu> wrote:
OK, but jagri cannot be from Arabic, which has kbd
On Aug 8, 2025, at 11:19, Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein@proton.me> wrote:
Overall, I am not sure. In an article that I will share with the list when it’s done, I think I demonstrate quite conclusively a west Semitic, probably Arabic, input in a 10th c Sanskrit text from Kashmir, with which there was some intertextuality with the KCT. But of course I do not ask that you accept my arguments until you have seen them.
best,Matthew
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 17:44, Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY < indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Overall, I think Madhav’s suggestion that jagri is a vernacularized form of yak.rt, (re)borrowed into Sanskrit, makes the best sense. Hindi-Urdu jigar, by contrast, is most likely one of the many Persian words that came into the language during the extended period of Persianate Muslim rule
Best wishes
Hans Henrich
On Aug 8, 2025, at 10:15, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh@umich.edu> wrote:
It is indeed!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 8:13 AM Hock, Hans Henrich < hhhock@illinois.edu> wrote:
Shouldn’t that be yak.rt?
On Aug 8, 2025, at 09:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
https://claude.ai/share/2fe502db-185f-447d-b742-88e87ff1c17c
Some interesting connections of the Persian word jigar to Sanskrit word taker for liver.
Madhav Deshpande
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