Dear Dominik and esteemed INDOLOGists, 

Many thanks to all those who participated in the NGMCP Wiki thread--especially Tyler Neill and Dominik Wujastyk. 

Forgive my naivete, as I am a complete novice on the topic of digital humanities and digital preservation. However, as a philologist I have a deep interest in the preservation of digital texts and data, and as an art historian I have a natural concern for conservation and I've been thinking a lot about the place of museums in the 21st century and beyond. 

With increasing academic and public discourse around stolen and looted heritage objects in their collections (among other controversial topics), many museums in the West are in a "soul searching" moment. COVID decimated museum attendance and, in many cases, public confidence in museums (as with many institutions) is at an all-time low. 

As major institutions like the Rubin are even shifting away from traditional brick-and-mortar models and embracing digital (and other experimental) models, I wonder if museum's might be well-positioned to step in to assist with this type of long-term digital preservation. This kind of long-term digital preservation seems to fit well within museums' broader conservatory mission.

Do you think this is a viable idea? Or do you think it might run into some of the same issues Dominik has raised with regards to university hosting? I do like the GitHub idea, but I cannot help but wonder if relying on a business like GitHub (which has a profit motive) really is a viable long term solution. 

I'm just thinking out loud here, but I'm keen to hear what other INDOLOGists think. 


Sincerely,

Westin Harris
Ph.D. Candidate
Study of Religion 
University of California, Davis
The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies

Sarva Mangalam.


On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 4:32 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
The recent scare about the Nepal-German descriptive cataloguing data has yet again shown that universities are unreliable hosts for the preservation of digital resources.  Long-term members of this forum might remember when U. Washington shockingly unplugged Blackbox, a major repository of Indological texts, fonts, and software in the 1990s, maintained by Tom Ridgeway. The Indology website and archive of etexts used to live on a machine at UCL, but it was closed after I left  that university, without consulting or warning me.  The University of Cambridge refused to continue hosting John Smith's Bombay website when he retired.  The Indology website has been able to take over the hosting of that incredibly valuable asset (think: Pabuji, fonts, software,, Mahābhārata, Rāmāyana) .  There are many more examples of websites and archives being just shut down when faculty members move, or a couple of years after project funding ends.

I don't have a great answer to any of this.  But I do think that the persistence of digital assets is a vital question for us all and something we should all think about carefully if we put valued resources on the internet.

For example, the results of my last funded project are accessible through http://sushrutaproject.org.  I have tried to push as much important stuff as I can tot Github and Zenodo (and http://archive-it.org).  But as soon as I stop paying personally for the registration and hosting at sushrutaproject.org that gateway website will close down within a few weeks.  Do I really want to keep paying, out of my pocket, for the rest of my life?  

For the new project that I announced yesterday, I've built the website at Github.  This costs nothing, so the worry about annual payments is gone.  And as far as I can tell from reading the Github documentation, they do not delete project repositories, even if they become inactive.  If repositories are "archived" they simply become read-only (docs).  Github seems very enlightened about long-term preservation.  They save offline archives at the bottom of a mineshaft in Svalbard - I kid you not.  There are many good features for project work at Github, and it's all free.  Building a simple one-page website is also extremely quick and easy.  Building something more complicated, with menus etc., is more troublesome.  It's significantly harder than using Wordpress (the Microsoft Word of website creation).  But the up-side is that you get a website that will persist for years and doesn't require payment. 

Within the university world, departments and computing centres are not going to look after project data and websites in the long term.  The one institution that actually does think long-term is the university library.  But as far as I can tell, most university libraries are still working out what their place is in the digital landscape.


Best, 
Dominik


--
Dominik Wujastyk, Professor Emeritus, Classical Indian History
University of Alberta

"The University of Alberta is committed to the pursuit of truth, 
the advancement of learning, and the dissemination of knowledge 
through teaching, research and other scholarly and creative activities and service."


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