Dear all,

First, thank you to Harry Spier for allowing me to hijack this thread. 

This has been an interesting discussion. About 10 years ago myself and my German supervisor tried to get manuscript copies from Berlin to no avail. I did finally get copies (too late to work with during my PhD) from a former researcher with the NGMCP with the warning that I couldn't publish them. 

I couldn't access the Berlin order page from Hong Kong but could through German, UK, and USA VPNs. I will wait and see what happens. Worst case scenario it sounds like a trip to Nepal would be fruitful. 

Thank you all for your helpful advice. 
Patricia 

Patricia Sauthoff
司徒 雛菊 
Assistant Professor
Department of History
Hong Kong Baptist University
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In my last message I should have added that, according to the 
currently valid terms of use of the State Library of Berlin, access to 
the holdings of the NGMPP is of course still not subject to any 
restrictions with regard to the nationality of the users:

https://webshop.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/english/bedingungen-ngmpp/?___from_store=deutsch

Best regards,

RS

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> Dear Dominik,
>  
> In the NGMPP leaflet of 2010 (“VORLäUFIGE Benutzungsordnung des 
> Mikrofilm-Depots”, “PROVISIONAL Usage Regulations of the Microfilm 
> Depot”), point 2 actually says that “according to the contract 
> concluded between the government of the Kingdom of Nepal and the 
> Deutsche Morgenländische Gesellschaft [DMG, German Oriental 
> Society], copies may only be made for citizens of Germany, Austria 
> and Switzerland.”
>  
> The above claim that this is stipulated in the contract between the 
> Nepalese government and the DMG is simply false. Neither in this 
> contract of 16 February 1970 nor in the contract of 24 March 1984 
> between the DMG and the Stiftung Preußischer Kulturbesitz (to which 
> the State Library of Berlin belongs) is there such a restriction. 
> Consequently, it is also missing from the Berlin State Library's 
> “Information Sheet for the Use of Manuscripts” (“Merkblatt für die 
> Benutzung von Handschriften”) of November 2009 and from the current 
> “Terms and Conditions for the Use of the Microfilm Depository 
> (NGMPP)” (“Benutzungsordnung des Mikrofilm-Depots [NGMPP]”) of the 
> Berlin State Library of March 2014.
>  
> It was never intended to be otherwise.
>  
> Best regards
> Roland
>
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>        Von: Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>
> Antwort an: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk@gmail.com>
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>         An: Indology <indology@list.indology.info>
>
>> The original contract between the German Research Society and the 
>> Nepalese authorities stipulated that copies of microfilms had to be 
>> purchased directly from the National Archives in Kathmandu.  The 
>> one exception to this was that copies of the films were available 
>> in Berlin, where German nationals could consult them and have 
>> copies.  That's the contract and it has not been renegotiated.  
>> Many of us have wrestled with all this for many decades.
>>     
>>    If anything different from this is happening then it is the 
>> result of an altruistic gesture by someone in favour of supporting 
>> non-nationalistic scholarship, which is lovely.  But it's not a 
>> result of a change in the original terms of the contract.
>>     
>>    Best,
>>    Dominik
>>
>>                   
>>      --
>>      Prof. Dominik Wujastyk
>>      University of Alberta
>>       
>>      "The University of Alberta is committed to the pursuit of truth, 
>>      the advancement of learning, and the dissemination of knowledge 
>>      through teaching, research and other scholarly and creative 
>> activities and service."
>>      -- Collective Agreement[1] 3.01
>>       
>
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>
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> https://www.ualberta.ca/human-resources-health-safety-environment/media-library/my-employment/agreements/2020-2024-collective-agreement---working-version.pdf
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