Dear All,

Indeed, as Jan pointed out, trying to avoid Sanskrit terms and concepts,  usually without adequate discussion, or the creation of new terms or concepts, is an unfortunate phenomenon.

Those who are interested in an explanation on simple examples of how Paninean grammar actually works may also want to look up:

Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat, "Grammaire sanscrite pâninéenne", Paris: Picard, 1988.

This book does not seem to be available electronically.

Grammar as a (contemporary) science (as opposed to an art -- a tekhnè) owes much of its existence to Sanskrit. Frédérique Ildefonse argues that the technical study of language in Greek as a discipline emerged rather late, and without unification of its various components -- now viewed as subdisciplines of grammar -- because the study of language was taken over by philosophy (La naissance de la grammaire dans l'Antiquité grecque, Paris: Vrin, 1997).

Actually, what seems to be referred to here as "Western" grammar, as completely unrelated to "Paninean grammar" should be defined. The grammars we use for European languages were heavily influenced by the discovery of Sanskrit grammar and the ensuing developement of IE studies. This is apparent when reading many twentieth-century Greek and Latin grammars. I would recommend avoiding the word "Western" in this context, or many others for that matter, if one wants to be precise. When we speak of "tone sa.mdhi" in Chinese, is this phrase understandable in terms of a putative "Western grammar" that would not include borrowings from Sanskrit?

Best,

    Satyanad Kichenassamy

Le 05/09/2024 à 15:50, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY a écrit :

Dear Andrew,
this is a nice list of approximate equivalents or equivalents under certain
conditions.
The list is misleading (in both directions) if the =- signs are taken too
literally.
As the list is attached to an online grammar the user should be able to
find out that a word ending in dvitīyā may have other functions than the
'accusative' and the 'accusative' may be expressed by other vibhaktis than
the second (cp. in classical Sanskrit yaj 'sacrifice' in the sentence
indram ajena yajati "to Indra he sacrifices a goat"). And the (partial)
equivalence only works if 'accusative' is taken as a flat indication of a
case ending, forgetting the conceptual basis of the term 'accusative'. Nor
is ṣaṣṭhī simply the 'genitive', etc.  (Mutatis mutandis this applies to
terms such as 'optative' etc.).
Among printed Sanskrit grammars for students I believe that
Devavāṇīpraveśikā
<https://sanskritstudio.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/review-of-devavanipravesika-by-robert-p-goldman/#:~:text=Sutherland%20Goldman%20is%20a%20typical,serve%20as%20a%20reference%20book.>
by
Goldman & Goldman is one of the first to give *again* Sanskrit grammatical
terms for Sanskrit students at the introductory level.
*again*: Historically, introductions to Sanskrit since the nineteenth
century are rather characterized by gradually filtering out Sanskrit
grammatical terms (compare Max Mueller's 1870 *Sanskrit grammar for
beginners* with the "New and abridged edition" of Max Mueller's grammar
prepared by Macdonell and published in 1886). R G Bhandarkar in his  *First
Book of Sanskrit* and *Second Book of Sanskrit *(from 1860s) tried to adopt
"the terminology of the English Grammarians of Sanskrit" while "strictly
following Panini, as explained by Bhattoji Dikshita in his
Siddhantakaumudi" (unfortunately without giving a concordance of English
and Sanskrit grammatical terms).

Best,
Jan Houben

On Thu, 5 Sept 2024 at 09:28, Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <
indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

It is in no way complete/comprehensive, but I have a list here:

http://prakrit.info/vrddhi/grammar/#glossary

On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 3:20 AM rajam via INDOLOGY <
indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

I’m also interested in this endeavor.

I’d like to have a Standard / most used / most needed list of Western
Grammatical terms, so I can provide Tolkappiyan (tolkāppiyan) equivalents
from the South for interested scholars.

Thanks and regards,
rajam

On Sep 3, 2024, at 9:58 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <

indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear list members,
Have any members made a list of western grammatical terms and their

paninian equivalents (preferably a searchable word document).  Abhyankar's
Dictionary of Sanskrit Grammar is good for getting the western grammatical
terms, when you know the Paninian  term, but I need a list going the other
way , where given a western sanskrit grammatical term such as for example:
"accusative, gerund, gerundive, optative" etc. etc. you can find the
equivalent paninian term .

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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