Hi!

I think that, as a standard for cataloguing considering this well-spotted by Dominik difference between "work" and "manuscript", one can use FaBiO, the FRBR-aligned Bibliographic Ontology (see [1]), which is based upon Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records approach (see [2]).

This approach differentiates between four "entities":
1. Work, which is the intellectual or artistic creation, on an abstract, conceptual level; this entity is referred usually as "I have read Bhagavad-Gita!" without reference to editor, edition, physical or digital format, etc.
2. Expression, which is another abstract entity, involving the realization of an work as text or audiobook, or in another language.
3. Manifestation, which is the "physical embodiment of an expression of a work" [2].
4. Item, which is an "exemplar of a manifestation" [2], a physical or digital object.

An example from [2], about the work Gone with the Wind:
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Best regards,
Claudius Teodorescu

[1] https://sparontologies.github.io/fabio/current/fabio.html
[2] https://loc.gov/cds/downloads/FRBR.PDF

On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 03:21, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Dominik has as usual identified the central issue, should a manuscript catalogue describe "works" or "manuscripts".  

But a more complicated related question (and the reason I asked my original question) is "what should be in the catalog descriptions of on-line sanskrit etext collections?". Is it even possible to come up with a standard for this, and would it be useful?  There is SARIT, GRETIL, Muktabodha, Digital Corpus of Sanskrit, TITUS and others online.  So  what should be the standards for cataloguing these. What to put in their headers. This is of course complicated because some of the etexts in these collections are manuscripts and some are copies of published editions (works). Several collections including Muktabodha contain both published editions and manuscripts. . 

Should such a catalog be directed towards experts (i.e. assume they know the work) or should there be information useful to people who are less than expert (information about the work). To give a trivial example. The Muktabodha digital library contains the Bhagavadgītā with the commentary of Abhinavagupta edited by Lakshman Joo. This is the Kashmiri recension of the Bhagavadgita.  Should a catalog entry for this etext just say its the Kashmiri recension (sufficient information for knowledgeable people) or should a catalog entry for this etext explain in brief the differences between the vulgate and the Kashmiri recension (useful to students less than expert in the Bhagavadgita) who may have come across this in their internet searchs. 

Thanks,
Harry Spier


On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 5:20 AM Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk@gmail.com> wrote:
I have always admired Chandrabhal Tripathi's catalogue of the Strasbourg Jain MSS as a model.
  • Tripāṭhī, Chandrabhāl. 1975. Catalogue of the Jaina Manuscripts at Strasbourg, Indologia Berolinensis ; Bd. 4 (Leiden: E. J. Brill)
There's a big issue at the heart of your question.  Does a catalogue describe works or manuscripts?  

Almost all catalogues of Indian MSS describe works.  That is to say, there's a tacit assumption that a manuscript carries a work.  So we say "a manuscript of the Bhagavadgītā".  This gets cataloguers into difficulties when a manuscript supports many works.  It also leads to the suppression of non-work materials such as marginalia, glosses, scribal verses and so on.

The usage of European classicists and medievalists is more evolved, and is the opposite.  All major catalogues of Western manuscripts describe manuscripts.  A typical entry begins with the physical description and then continues with a folio-by-folio description of what is written on the pages.  Finally, there will be references and bibliography.  To find works in such a catalogue, you consult an index.
Some examples:
The second, manuscript-oriented, procedure has more practical and intellectual advantages than I can list right now.  

After the war, the great V. Raghavan designed a spreadsheet-like scheme for handlisting manuscripts and finagled funding to pay for catalogues that followed that scheme.  That's all still in place today.  So we have a century of Indian cataloguing based on a mistaken concept of what it is that gets catalogued.   

I wrote a bit about this in my 2013 article, pp. 169 ff. and esp. 172 ff.  See attached.

Dominik


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