Dear Jeff and Matthew,
On the conceivability, I had thought once that the TaittirIya section on the gradation of bliss that is followed by the famous verse--yato vAco nivartante aprApya manasA saha AnandaM brahmaNo vidvAn na bibheti kutazcana--shares something
with Anselm's argument. This appears in related iterations. But that strange jump from conceivability to necessary being is, I think, what is unique to the ontological argument, and I don't think it shares much, if anything, with Shankara's self-evidentiality
of oneself or anything related. Perhaps what comes closest is Shankara's--and Bhartrhari's--argument that Being must be predicated of everything, not as anything specific but as pure Being. But this comes from an incomparably different place and concerns.
Yours,
Aleksandar
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To: Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein@proton.me>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Analogues to Anselm's Ontological Arguments in Indian Philosophy?
Thank you, Matthew!
That is my impression as well: that there is nothing quite similar to or even analogous to Anselm’s arguments in Indian philosophical traditions. As you say, Gaṅgeśa and others in the Nyāya and Navya-Nyāya traditions developed arguments closer to the Western
cosmological and design arguments. I have thus far not found anything quite like Anselm’s arguments.
I’ll be happy to learn if something is out there with which I am unfamiliar.
All the best!
Jeff
On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:55 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
But Jeff,
Anselm’s argument is not about self-evidence per se, it’s about conceivability, and in its second iteration, necessary being. I’m not aware of close analogues in Indian philosophy. The classical theistic arguments seem to mostly resemble the
Western cosmological and design arguments.
There are some interesting developments in GaNgeza, of course, but I think still not along the lines of the ontological argument.
best
Matthew
On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 18:17, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Forgive me if this question has already been raised at some point on this list.
Are any of you aware of arguments developed in Indian philosophical systems akin to the ontological arguments for the existence of God raised by St. Anselm? The closest thing I can think of is Śaṅkara’s argument that existence is self-evident.
With much gratitude in advance,
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Carl W. Zeigler Professor of Religion, Philosophy, & Asian Studies
School of Arts & Humanities
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, PA
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Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, and Theological
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