I agree with you wholeheartedly Andrew about the need to carve out some actual, concrete autonomy, and I think it's a very important point.  Granted also what you point out about the academic institutions' (and their administrators') overwhelming cynicism, we still at least have the power as a community (don't we?) to generate some bad press for MCLI/HUP's wrong turn.  Even if it affects nothing on the ground, it would at least give form to our recognition of a distinction between the original vision and what seems to be emerging now. Maybe we could do a collective, open letter? At least the Wire would probably report on it. We could use Bob's letter to the provost as a basic model and then incorporate other feedback from list members, and then collect as many signatures as possible (being careful not to impugn anyone personally who has not had the chance to present their case, as Brendan sagely advises us). Do people think this is worth doing?
On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 1:28 AM Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear all,

I very rarely write to this list to simply voice an opinion, but I think I will break my own rule in this case, because the question has arisen of what we, as scholars, can do in a situation like this. The answer, I am sorry to say, is not very much. That is by design. MCLI is published by Harvard University Press, which, while technically a non-profit, is a non-profit the same way that Harvard University is, with an endowment bigger than the GDP of most countries. The press is a business, concerned with brands, markets, and intellectual property. When there was a general editor, it was somebody's job to care about scholarly matters, but that has not been the case at MCLI for several years now. The big picture is that, once the decision was made to house MCLI at a big, rich, prestigious, complex, institution, "their reality is the one that matters" (as someone closely involved with MCLI once said). The editors and translators of the series ultimately work for the institution, as HUP has demonstrated on multiple occasions, most recently with the firing of the entire editorial board.

That is unfortunate, especially because I had hoped that a big endowment would free the series from some of the caprices of patronage that we might have worried about (remember CSL?). But even if the "portfolio" of MCLI has a lot of money attached to it, it's still not a portfolio that we, the scholars, have any control over whatsoever, or any right to. (Indeed, I had to sign away all of my rights for my translation of Līlāvaī, and I would bet that the same is true for every other book published in the series.)

If we, the scholarly community, ever undertake a project like this again, I would hope that its future would depend to a much greater extent on the people who actually do the scholarly work.

Andrew

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 5:01 PM Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear All, 

Thanks for drawing attention to this disturbing situation. 
While profoundly appreciative and grateful for the monumental achievements of MCLI so far, thanks to the generous funding and the engagement of sincere scholarship and administration, I fully support both points brought forward by Brendan. 
Perhaps so, but it is indeed questionable whether anything can be expected by writing to the current interim provost or any senior administrator at Harvard University, who, no doubt having more pressing concerns at present, are only in the most formal way "ultimately responsible" for what happens according to MCLI's self-adopted and self-funded mission https://www.murtylibrary.com/about/our-mission 

All best, 

Jan Houben

On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 15:33, Brendan Gillon via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

I too agree that the Murty Classical Library of India is a valuable book series and its discontinuation would be a loss to Indology. I would be happy to sign a letter to that effect. 

I would in no circumstances sign a letter censuring someone without having heard the accused person's side of the story. It is a fundamental principle of law: `audi alteram partem' (`let the other side be heard').

Cordially yours,

Brendan Gillon


On 3/5/24 02:20, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY wrote:
This is a stain on Professor Parimal Patil and on Harvard University. I do hope the Provost of Harvard will set the matter right.

Asko Parpola, Professor Emeritus of South Asian Studies, University of Helsinki



On 4. Mar 2024, at 20.58, Robert P. GOLDMAN via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

This is deeply disturbing although, alas, hardly surprising. It reflects, no doubt ,political interference with this groundbreaking and outstanding scholarly series. List members should add their voices to those of  the  former members of the editorial board.

Dr. R.P. Goldman
William and Catherine Magistretti Professor of Sanskrit Emeritus
and
Joint Editor of the South Asia Across the Disciplines  Publication Series
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies 
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540






On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:29 AM, Archana Venkatesan via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Respected Colleagues,

With apologies for cross-posting, please see the attached communication from the former editors of the Murty Classical Library of India. 

Archana

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Archana Venkatesan (archana.faculty.ucdavis.edu)
Graduate Advisor, Graduate Program in the Study of Religion (2022-2024)
Professor, Religious Studies and Comparative Literature
Phone: 530-754-2821 (Office) 





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