On 22 Oct 2023, at 05:54, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:In geminates like क्क, according to the Pratishakhyas, the contact in the first consonant is not released, and the same contact as the first consonant continues to be held longer till it is released slightly later. In such cases, the first consonant is called अभिनिधान. [स्पर्शस्य स्पर्शेऽभिनिधान:]Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor Emeritus, Sanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USASenior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu StudiesAdjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:Very clear. Thanks.On Sat, 21 Oct 2023, 12:36 Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY, <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:Somewhere along the line something seems to have gone wrong with the email address for the Indology List. This is an attempt to get the correct info back into the conversation thread.
HHH
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From: "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" <indology@list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch"
Date: October 21, 2023 at 11:28:56 CDT
To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier@gmail.com>
Cc: McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>, "ndology@list.indology.info" <ndology@list.indology.info>
Reply-To: "Hock, Hans Henrich" <hhhock@illinois.edu>
In a geminate, the consonant duration is longer and is distributed over two syllables; the first part forms the coda of the preceding syllable (and, if the vowel of that syllable is short, make the syllable heavy), the second part is the onset of the following syllable. (A geminate, however, is not a double consonant, in the sense that each part is released; rather the articulatory gesture for the consonant is held constant during the geminate.)
I hope this helps; please excuse the somewhat technical language.
HHH
On Oct 21, 2023, at 03:44, Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier@gmail.com> wrote:
I asked if in the Rg-veda as chanted today, it is gachati or gacchati that is chanted and Madhav answered that in this youtube recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI he heard gacchati. But then I realized I'm not clear what the difference in pronounciation between a geminate and a non-geminate is. In other words is the difference in pronounciation between gachati / gacchati , patra / pattra , karma / karmma etc. just that the geminated syllable is held longer than if it was non-geminated or is it more like gach-ati / gach-chati , pa-tra /pat-tra , kar-ma /karm-maThanks,
Harry Spier
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:16 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh@umich.edu> wrote:
In this recitation, I hear गच्छति, rather than गछति.
Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor Emeritus, Sanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USASenior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India
[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
To clarify one point. In the Rg-veda as its chanted today, is whats chanted gacchati or gachati.
Harry Spier
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