Dear Jan,

In my first message (in the chain below) I listed fonts that DO function properly in Microsoft Word, Outlook, etc.  They are all ttf, ttc, or otf fonts. 

I am using Office for Mac 16.77, running OS Big Sur 11.7.1, and others on the message board I linked to are having the same problem running OS 12 (Monterey).  I have not noticed similar problems with other Indic fonts, but I have not yet had occasion to test them.

The fonts that I have found NOT to work only in Microsoft programs on Mac are:

AA_Nagari_Shree_L3

Arial Unicode MS

Devanagari MT (partial fail)

Kalimati

Sanskrit 2003

Sanskrit 2020

Shree Devanagari

This thread on the list began by noting that Siddhanta and Adishila fonts also malfunction in Word on Mac.

None of these, I think, are PostScript fonts, which have been deprecated.  Arial Unicode MS is no longer (as of very recently) being maintained, but it certainly should still be functional.

Best,

Tim

From: Jan Kučera <jan.kucera@ujca.cz>
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 5:02 PM
To: "Lubin, Tim" <LubinT@wlu.edu>, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh@umich.edu>
Cc: INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>
Subject: RE: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [Samskrita] Siddhanta font rendering in Word broken after recent update

I can have a look and/or escalate, can anyone send me or point to a pair of fonts that does and doesn’t work, such as the Adishila and Adishila Dev Guru, and possibly the version of Word where it no longer works?

Thanks,

Jan

ल Institute of South and Central Asia Students, Prague

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces@list.indology.info> On Behalf Of Lubin, Tim
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:09 PM
To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh@umich.edu>
Cc: indology@list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [Samskrita] Siddhanta font rendering in Word broken after recent update

Dear colleagues,

I, too, and no doubt many others are having this or similar problems with various Unicode-compliant ttf/ttc and otf Devanāgarī fonts when used in Microsoft Office software.  This is a headache because I have numerous documents using Arial Unicode for the Devanāgarī, and now when I open them in Word, or paste text from them into Outlook, all the conjunct glyphs are decomposed with virama.  (Those fonts still work fine in other softwore, e.g., TextEdit, LibreOffice, etc.)

I have in fact posted to Microsoft discussion board about this, but I have received no useful guidance:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/microsoft-office-for-mac-has-stopped-displaying/ebd3fba8-edac-42e0-954b-cfcdc58679f8

I have compiled a list of fonts that DO still work for me in Word (and display properly in Outlook):

Baloo

Devanagari Sangam MN

Gotu

ITF Devanagari

Kohinoor Devanagari

Lava Devanagari

Mukta

Noto Sans Devanagari

October Devanagari

Sama Devanagari

Shobhika Devanagari

Tiro Devanagari Sanskrit (or Hindi)

The list of fonts that no longer work for me include such common ones as Arial Unicode MS and Sanskrit 2003/2020, along with several others.

Best,
Tim

Timothy Lubin
Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion, and Adjunct Professor of Law
Head of the Law, Justice, and Society Program
204 Tucker Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia 24450

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces@list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh@umich.edu>
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:27 PM
To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier@gmail.com>
Cc: INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [Samskrita] Siddhanta font rendering in Word broken after recent update

I have noticed the same problem on my Mac / MSWord. 

Madhav Deshpande

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 12:12 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

The following was posted to the Samskrta list. 

Harry Spier

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bandaru Viswanath <vegavahini@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 2:12 PM
Subject: [Samskrita] Siddhanta font rendering in Word broken after recent update
To: samskrita <samskrita@googlegroups.com>, <sanskrit-programmers@googlegroups.com>

Namaste,  

I use siddhanta font heavily in my work. I found that after a recent MS-Word update, the Siddhanta font rendering is broken. More specifically, the द्वित्वाक्षाणि are being displayed in their ह्रस्व forms. The Adishila base font seems fine. But Adishila Dev Guru font also has the same issue. 

Please see the screenshot below, each of the three bullet points are rendered in Siddhanta, Adishila and Adishila Dev Guru fonts respectively.

Could anyone help me if there is a configuration that I may be missing? Or do you see the same issue ?

I use MS Word (Office-365), on a MAC.

Thanks and Regards,

Viswanath.

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