The Telugu equivalent of eNRu , ani and its function in contemporary Telugu is studied by late Prof. Chekuri Rama Rao , which I know from his Telugu essay, " Telugu lo ani chese pani " = work ani does in Telugu / function of ani in Telugu, probably A Telugu version of a portion of his PhD dissertation submitted to University of Pennsylvania on " Nominalization in Telugu Syntax" .

ani is the past nonfinite form (ktvaarthaka form, to use the Sanskrit term, ) of the verb anu = say. (Same is the case with eNRu of Tamil)

As such, the 'productivity' is of the verb anu =say , not of the form ani which is the expression comparable to iti. ( Same goes with Tamil eNRu )

ani is a derivative of a verb root whereas iti is avyaya , derivation or root of which within Sanskrit is not clear.

Use of iti in vyaakhyaana granthas as in the ending of the expression of the text, commentary of which follows iti

its use in usages such as ityaadayah at the end of lists,

and more such usages of iti in Sanskrit don't seem to have Dravidian equivalents.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 2:24 AM George L. HART via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

I am sure many have noted that in Tamil, the word eṉ, which has equivalents in other Dravidian languages (an in Telugu, for example), is far more productive than Sanskrit iti. It occurs in various forms — adjective (eṉṉum), adverb (eṉṟu), noun (eṉpatu), finite verb (e.g. eṉkiṟārkaḷ), while in Sanskrit iti is only adverbial. It would be interesting to analyze the uses of eṉ in Sangam literature — I’m not sure anyone has done this. Of course, the use of this construction could be an areal phenomenon — it is not necessarily true that its presence in early Sanskrit is due to Dravidian, though I think it is highly likely, given its richness in Dravidian languages. George Hart

On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. (Herman) via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

I do not know if the question was about iti as an areal phenomenon. If so, see F.B.J. Kuiper, "The Genesis of a Linguistic Area", IIJ 1968, where, if I remember well, he compares Skt iti with Tamil eṉṟu.
Herman

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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit

If I remember correctly, the possibility of the "iti" constructions being an areal phenomena have been discussed for many decades. The best person to provide information regarding this topic may be Hans Hock. I will see if I can locate any of these older publications.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 6:28 AM Olivelle, Joseph P via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
See the many explanations of ‘iti’ in Gary Tubb and Emery Boose’s book “Scholastic Sanskrit”.

Patrick

> On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Brendan S. Gillon, Prof. via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
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