Another example, which perhaps is not to be generalized : a year ago, I
was informed that a position as Professor of History of mathematics
would be opened at the University of Wuppertal (Germany). I went into
contact by email with two professors there, and all our exchanges were
in English. I was told that my CV was perfect for the position, which
implies the training of future math teachers. But, when I asked if I
could teach in English for a year or two (before becoming able to do it
in German, a language of which I have a passive knowledge), it was
answered that this would not be possible. I applied nonetheless, but
received no invitation to an interview, probably due to the pandemy.

Jean Michel


Le 19.02.2021 10:05, Jonathan Silk a écrit :
> It seems like perhaps it is possible that Jan has not quite addressed
> Dominik's point: I did not read him as rejecting the use of French,
> only the condition that fluency is a requirement _for application_.
>
> For instance, although one might expect a Spanish or Italian speaker
> to be able to ramp up to working fluency in two years, this seems to
> be ruled out. NB: As far as I know, the requirement for fluency in
> German in German and Austrian universities, and in Dutch here in the
> Netherlands, is normally specified as "within two years," and at least
> it used to be the case that the university provided support for
> language training.
>
> Jan, himself Dutch, is surely aware that most people in the world were
> not able to benefit from the excellent gymnasium training he received
> in which language acquisition was strongly present (and a further
> note: this is increasingly not the case even in the top gynmasia here,
> where so-called beta tracks [natural sciences] have largely taken
> over, for completely understandable reasons.)
>
> So what we seem to come down to is an implicit interest in preventing
> non-French scholars from even applying...(which Dominik was of course
> too polite to say in so many words)
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:54 AM jmdelire <jmdelire@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>> Having myself French as mother language, I always had the feeling
>> that
>> the education system in France is not particularly open to non
>> French
>> students or teachers. Of course, it is different in the world of
>> research.
>> Just an example : we have in Belgium thousands of French students
>> in our
>> Universities or Hautes Ecoles, because our education system is
>> quite
>> open, while it is particularly difficult for a Belgian to study in
>> France.
>>
>> Jean Michel
>>
>> Le 18.02.2021 23:53, Jan E.M. Houben a écrit :
>>> sans accepter la diversité régionale, culturelle et
>> linguistique, la
>>> science et l'érudition perdraient pourtant une grande partie de
>> la
>>> richesse qui leur appartenait traditionnellement ...
>>>
>>> (= without accepting regional, cultural and linguistic diversity,
>>> science and scholarship would nevertheless lose much of the
>> richness
>>> which has been traditionally theirs ...)
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 17:54, Dominik Wujastyk
>> <wujastyk@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 04:49, Jan E.M. Houben
>> <jemhouben@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> The professor-researcher recruitment campaign 2021 at the
>> École
>>>>> Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE) is open.
>>>>> This time, none of the open positions are directly
>> "indological"
>>>>> but some of the positions in Sciences historiques et
>>>>> philologiques or Sciences religieuses *could* in theory
>>>>> accommodate indological (indological-linguistic) or
>> buddhological
>>>>> applications.
>>>>> Please explore at
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement-des-seignants-chercheurs-2021
>> [1]
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> A good active mastery of French is of course a prerequisite. 
>>>>
>>>> "of course"?  No, this is not obvious or normal.  Many
>> countries
>>>> hire professors on the understanding that if they don't know the
>>>> indigenous language they will commit to learning it within the
>> first
>>>> two years of tenure.  As far as I am aware, that is normal
>>>> international practice.   
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dominik
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> JAN E.M. HOUBEN
>>>
>>> Directeur d'Études, Professor of South Asian History and
>> Philology
>>>
>>> _Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite_
>>>
>>> École Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE, Paris Sciences et
>> Lettres)
>>>
>>> _SCIENCES HISTORIQUES ET PHILOLOGIQUES _
>>>
>>> Groupe de recherches en études indiennes (EA 2120)
>>>
>>> _johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu_
>>>
>>> _https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben [2] [2]_
>>>
>>> _https://www.classicalindia.info_ [3] [3]
>>>
>>> LabEx Hastec OS 2021 -- _L'Inde Classique_ augmentée:
>> construction,
>>> transmission 
>>>
>>> et transformations d'un savoir scientifique
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1]
>>>
>>
> https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement-des-seignants-chercheurs-2021
>> [1]
>>> [2] https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben [2]
>>> [3] https://www.classicalindia.info [4]
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