Rajam,

  The ninth adhyāya begins with injunctions meant for puruṣasya striyāś ca ... dharme vartmani tiṣṭhatoḥ "the man and woman (or "husband and wife") who stand in the path of the law," and from 9.1 up to 9.21 the subject of the verbs in the plural third person seems to be the not better specified striyaḥ "women" in pada 9.1a. I hope this helps!

   namaskaromi,

   Diego

 



 


On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM rajam <rajam@earthlink.net> wrote:
Thank you very much for the explanation! 

Could you please also verify if these specific ślokas refer to “all women” in general or only certain women? 

Thanks again,
V.S. Rajam



On Oct 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:


   Dear all,

   With regard to Manu and "women being prostitutes," and with respect and utter admiration for Prof. Olivelle, I would like to suggest that some ślokas of the passages already mentioned suggest something beyond a simple "need to guard [women] from even the slightest attachment to sensual pleasure":

naitā rūpaṃ parīkṣante nāsāṃ vayasi saṃsthitiḥ
surūpaṃ vā virūpaṃ vā pumān ity eva bhuñjate

pauṃścalyāc calacittāc ca naisnehyāc ca svabhāvataḥ
rakṣitā yatnato 'pīha bhartṛṣv etā vikurvate


   In Prof. Olivelle's own translation ("they"=women, caps for emphasis mine):

"They pay no attention to beauty, they pay no heed to age; whether he is good looking or ugly, they make love to him with the single thought, "He's a man!" Because of the lechery, fickleness of mind, and hard-heartedness that are innate in them, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE CAREFULLY GUARDED IN THIS WORLD, they become hostile towards their husband"

   I would remark here that although "lechery" is of course entirely adequate, pauṃścalya>puṃś-calī is literally "one who runs after men," idiomatically and unequivocally a "prostitute," so perhaps something like "whorishness" or "sl@ttiness" may convey more directly the flavour of the Sanskrit word.

   On a personal note, I feel the venerable Manu to be, without much exegesis or word-bending, pretty antagonistic to a modern feminist agenda, which I support.

   namaskaromi,

   Diego 
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