Dear Martin, I have not found the saying in Rev. Herman Jensen, A Classified Collection of Tamil Proverbs. A Bilingual Edition, Delhi 2002 (reprint)., which has a section on caṉi (nos. 2234-2241) and a word index which refers to nos. 199, 2240, 2318 and 2322.
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Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces@list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY [indology@list.indology.info]
Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02
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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?
Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I
was simply interested in having the existence of this expression
confirmed and learning how widespread it might be.
Best wishes,
Martin G.
Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY:
> If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century
> people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the
> answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the
> same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world
>
> If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in
> ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the
> earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram
>
> See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
> which starts with:
>
> வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
> மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
> ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும், உடனே
> ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.
>
> You can see சனி in the second line
>
> There does not seem to be references to சனி in the older layer of
> Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la
> literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie,
> Pondichéry, 1967-1970)
>
> One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple
> described in
>
> https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf
>
> I hope this is useful
>
> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
>
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta
>> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
>>
>>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in
>>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
>>
>> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have
>> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my
>> languages.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Martin Gansten
>>
>>
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