Dear All,

I am not in a position to say anything about the issues that Dr Truschke has raised on this list. When it comes to that, I find myself agreeing with Dr Uskokov's above e-mail. I am generally very careful when it comes to gender bias. I don't deny its existence, but I don't believe that such issues are solved by adding female voices. Gender bias is in my view often the result of unbalanced or inappropriately distributed power structures. The same people that abuse female colleagues tend to abuse also less powerful male colleagues. This observation does not acquit them, but I find adding female voices does not automatically result in a better working environment, if the power structures remain in place. If we discuss gender, I would suggest we discuss it in terms of diversity.

Incidentally, today I came across an interesting read on the Guardian that highlights the issue:

"The books that had beat Cole [my addition: author of colour] as finalists in the best short historical romance category were all by white women, all but one set in 19th-century Britain, featuring white women [note lack of diversity] who fall in love with aristocrats. The heroes were, respectively, one “rogue”, two dukes, two lords and an earl.

What followed, on Twitter, was an outpouring of grief and frustration from black authors and other authors of colour, describing the racism they had faced again and again in the romance industry."

I am not suggesting that the committee needs to be regulated the way Dr Truschke suggests. For that I don't have enough information. However, if there is a need for change, I would suggest we start talking about diversity rather than limiting ourselves to gender bias. I would wish to see more Indians, people from diverse backgrounds and more "lowly" positioned academics within the committee along with gender parity.


Best wishes,
Arash

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 13:30, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
I still don't understand where the potential bias is -- in disagreement over who may become a member? What is it that members disagree on that is gender-sensitive and could benefit from more female voices, or could be biased in some other way so would need any other kind of voices (i.e, a member from India)? Again, not rhetorical questions.

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces@list.indology.info> on behalf of Audrey Truschke via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:35:52 AM
To: Birgit Kellner
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sexism and Bias on INDOLOGY governing committee
 
Dear Birgit and All,

To clarify - I am not advocating an expansion of the committee's job in regulating INDOLOGY. I am suggesting measures designed to prevent what I have experienced, internally on the committee, from happening again, to me or to anybody else. Inappropriate, biased behavior can occur anywhere, even on a committee with a limited function.

I understand the point about not having all sides of the story. I would gently point out - Nobody on this list needs to adjudicate the past in order to advocate some basic checks on potential bias and abuse going forward. Given that most of us agree that bias is a significant issue throughout our discipline and the academy, I think we should all be in favor of basic measures to prevent and address it here.

Audrey Truschke
Assistant Professor
Department of History
Rutgers University-Newark


On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:16 PM Birgit Kellner via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear everyone,

I am in full agreement that bias in Academia is something that needs to be addressed. Like others, I feel I'm not in a place to comment on the situation that Audrey Tuschke experienced. We have not heard from everyone on the committee, and I am also not sure whether this forum is the right place for resolving tensions in the committee.

My concern is now with a more fundamental matter as far as the list and its relationship to the committee is concerned. It seems to me that Audrey Tuschke's proposal calls for a much stronger function of the committee than it has had (and exercised) so far.

Having served on the committee myself for several years, I can only confirm what Dominik outlined in a previous post: the committee actually has a very minimal function. Its main task is to administer membership. It does not regulate communication on the list in a particularly strong fashion. Committee members on occasion step in if they feel discussions become inappropriate. But the overall assumption is still, I think, that communication on the list is and should be self-regulating.

It appears to me that the measures outlined by Audrey under "Dealing with Bias" assume a different kind of governing body, one that intervenes in a regulatory capacity in a stronger fashion than has been the case so far. There would be upsides and downsides to such an approach (one downside being that perhaps rather few scholars could be persuaded to become a part of a governing body expected to exercise a far more active role than it has done so far), but I think this point merits explicit discussion.

With best regards,

Birgit Kellner


Am 04.04.19 um 10:45 schrieb Audrey Truschke via INDOLOGY:
Dear Colleagues and Friends,

I have been heartened to see the supportive responses by many on this listserv. It means a lot to see my colleagues - some of whom rarely or never post on this list - trying to honestly grapple with our problems, make sense of bias and its many forms, and talk about possible steps for improvement. Going forward, I hope that we follow up on John Nemec's suggestion to gather data about women in PhD programs (and, perhaps, job placement thereafter, since hiring processes often involve gender bias in the profession). I also draw attention to Herman Tull's observation that many female Sanskritists opt out of this forum; I hope that we continue to try to change the listserv so that more women find it a welcoming forum.

Thus far, the INDOLOGY governing committee has taken no steps to address our problems with sexism and bias. I and others have made concrete suggestions, and we have been met with silence. Two members of the governing committee (besides myself) have e-mailed during this discussion; neither response made any attempt to address the concerns of bias and sexism raised by myself and other list members. This is unsurprising. Inaction and flat denial of any problem are quite common responses when women come forward with the dark side of what we face in the academy. 

I suggest, again, the following concrete steps ought to be taken by the INDOLOGY governing committee.
(1) Gender Parity. Numerous people have supported a call for gender parity on the INDOLOGY governing committee (currently a 2:1 male:female ratio). Let's move forward with that, now, and add 2 women.
(2) Dealing with Bias. It is unacceptable to go forward with the same structures in place that have resulted in me experiencing, in my view, sexist treatment, for months without recourse. We need a better system. I have suggested conducting committee business openly or shaking up membership on the committee. Jason Birch suggested a grievance system with an outside mediator. We could do all of those things, or some of them. A key point is this: The INDOLOGY governing committee needs to be committed to taking action and showing leadership in openly trying to implement some of these suggestions and thereby make the governing committee and the list a more equitable place.

There has been ample support demonstrated by list members for action on issues of possible bias on the INDOLOGY governing committee and also interest in openly discussing, on the INDOLOGY list, a wide range of issues concerning sexism and discrimination. I thank those who have spoken up thus far, and I invite everyone else to please join us in making our small corner of the academy a more equitable place.

All the best,

Audrey

Audrey Truschke
Assistant Professor
Department of History
Rutgers University-Newark
Audrey Truschke
Assistant Professor
Department of History
Rutgers University-Newark


On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 7:21 AM Michael Brattus Jones <mbjones@utexas.edu> wrote:

Dear List,


I support parity on the governing board. It would be a small action with a great effect, and I don't believe I've read any arguments directly against it.


I happen to follow Dr. Truschke on Twitter and I've seen the terrible abuses she endures there, as a result of discussing her academic work. I'm not comparing this forum with that one, but it does underscore the need for this forum to strive to seem as safe a place as possible, whether or not people see eye to eye on any specific issues.


Thank you,

Michael Brattus Jones, Ph.D.



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 12:56 AM Audrey Truschke via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I am writing to call your attention to the entrenched, worsening sexism I have been experiencing on the INDOLOGY governing committee over the past year or so (I have served on the committee for six years). Other committee members have warned me not to publicly discuss the bullying and abuse that I have faced from them in private. I break my silence and go against their explicit instructions here.

I have repeatedly faced sexism within the INDOLOGY governing committee, ranging from patronizing comments to silencing of discussions about bias to overtly different standards applied to male and female members of the committee and list. I have tried many times to raise these issues internally among the committee and privately with specific individuals. I have been met with blanket denials, belittling of my concerns, declarations that discussing sexism is not a substantive issue, accusations of being a troublemaker, and flat out refusals to discuss gender issues. Indology as a discipline has deep-seated issues with male privilege, discrimination against female scholars, and even outright misogyny. The issues within INDOLOGY's male-dominated governing committee are arguably a reflection of this larger set of problems that systematically drives women out of the discipline. If Indology or INDOLOGY are going to survive in any worthwhile form, we must face our ongoing issues of sexism and bias. I have made numerous suggestions to the INDOLOGY governing committee in this regard, including striving for gender parity on the committee by adding more female members, conducting committee business more openly as a check on bullying, and undergoing bias training. I hope the committee follows up on these suggestions. But, to date, I have seen only a desire to circle the wagons and deny bias, rather than any serious attempt to make the committee or the list a more equitable place.

Last week, following another case where I documented and called out a committee member for acting with bias, that committee member wrote that if he were in my position, he would consider resigning from the committee. In other words, if I find members of the INDOLOGY committee discriminate against women, then I should bow out. I find that suggestion highly inappropriate, and I do not acquiesce to it here. But I will no longer serve as a punching bag for men who insist I keep quiet.

I expect to face significant pushback and recriminations for shedding light on the dark underbelly of the INDOLOGY governing committee. But, unlike many of my fellow committee members, I think that this is an issue for the list at large. Many of us, myself included, find scholarly value in this listserv. But knowledge exists within power structures, and I find that I can no longer stomach what I have to overlook in order to quietly run this forum. I think it is time for us to talk about the key issues of bias and sexism facing our discipline that make women unwelcome at every turn, including in running this listserv.

All the best,

Audrey

Audrey Truschke
Assistant Professor
Department of History
Rutgers University-Newark
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