Apologies for being unable to keep out of this, but Birgit and I have discussed this earlier in another context, so I thought I'd chime in: there are serious discussions underway in Europe about alternatives to the presently proposed Project S scheme. However, all of those I have heard about deal only with European publication outlets (and I'm not sure how something like the EFEO fits in, I admit), but this still leaves the threat of a significant divide between EU and non-EU scholars, or better put, EU-funded and non-EU-funded scholarship.We should recall here also that some journals published by societies will publish only if the author is a member of the society (I recall this from years ago when I had to join the AAR to publish a paper) and this too is a form of an author-paying model. I think it is important that all of us think about what we want to do ourselves to assure maximum visibililty for scholarship, on the one hand, but also to realize that we are less than marginal players in a game run by the hard sciences, and for the moment, we can think as much as we like, but it would perhaps be more economical to wait and see how things shake out before investing too much time and energy in our own solutions, which are unlikely to be of interest to those who are actually making the rules. I'm not saying give up, just that things are extremely fluid right now, and waiting is likely to be a wise policy.JonathanOn Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:45 AM Birgit Kellner via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:_______________________________________________The examples you cite, Arlo, are all academic journals associated with learned and professional societies. For some of their income at least, they rely on subscription models (especially library subscriptions, some also including annual membership fees by individuals). These models work with a "moving wall" of 12-24 months, which many consider necessary to maintain a motivation for subscriptions and hence bring in the funds required to produce journals.
In the EU, the initiative "Plan S", supported by various governments and research funding bodies (including ERC!), pushes for instant open access publication without a moving wall. There is a grace period until 2023, but the goal is definitely universal instant open access. This certainly exerts pressures on learned societies to find alternative funding models; I wouldn't be surprised if author processing fees start being introduced more widely.
With best regards,
Birgit Kellner
Am 26.03.19 um 06:57 schrieb Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY:
Thank you Dominik, and thanks to other who have answered on the list or privately.
Dominik: why limit yourself to British examples and deny my claim that there are journals that are both "fine" and "impose very low barriers to access"? In my opinion, the way ZDMG and French journals like BEFEO and Arts Asiatiques make their content available through entirely unrestricted public services (respectively MENADOC and PERSEE) is a nice example, notwithstanding some flaws in execution among which some years of backlog, and I don't understand why you choose to ignore it. All of the mentioned journals also deposit on JSTOR, in the two French cases with a delay of one year after paper publication. I realize that JSTOR is not universally accessible without fee, but it is to many in our field and in that sense the barrier is still rather low. Should we agree on this point, then JAOS (whose contents immediately become available on JSTOR) would become another good example of the kind of journals I was alluding to. If I am not mistaken, publishing in those journals will satisfy the current directives of the European Research Council on open access to publicly funded research, and has the advantage of costing nothing to scholar and reader alike.
Perhaps superfluously: these words in favor of some old school journals don't mean that I appreciate any less the wonderful work that is being done by you and others for opening pathways to open access publication in natively online journals that still maintain the highest standards of quality control on contents and layout and do so for free.
Best wishes,
Arlo Griffiths
From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 2:34 AM
To: Arlo Griffiths
Cc: indology@list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] question about a soliciation from publisher MDPII have written about this kind of topic quite a bit on my blog, over the years. I am afraid I must ask you to search it by keyword ("journal", "copyright", "open access" etc.). Opinion pieces include:To answer your question, I've twice published articles where an processing fee was required for OA publication. Brill charged €400, if I recall, for an article in Asian Medicine: Tradition and Modernity. Springer charged £2000 or £3000 (I can't recall) for an OA paper in the International Journal of Hindu Studies. At that time, these fees were paid by my employer, who had a budget for this. My research contract included a clause saying that all my publications had to be Open Access.
There are many reasons why OA is a good thing. A short statement of the main issues is available in this video. For more literature on the issues at stake, the DOAJ.org hosts a lot of documentation and discussion.
You say, "there are still fine journals which don't ask any such fees and impose very low barriers to access." This is not the case, unfortunately. Yes, they may be free for authors, but the many South Asia-related journals that have been vacuumed up by Cambridge University Press (JRAS, BSOAS, etc.) are very expensive indeed for readers whose universities don't pay exorbitant annual license fees. The video above makes some of these points about half way through.
Best,Dominik
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 23:50, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:
_______________________________________________Dear colleagues,
I had received a few weeks ago an offer (see below) to help a commercial company called MDPI that publishes an Open Access journal Religions as guest editor for a special issue on an Indological topic. Since I had never heard of publisher nor journal; since I suspected that this is one of those predatory publishers we read about a lot nowadays; and since as a matter of principle I favor publishing in established not-for-profit journals, I decided not to respond. Now the same publisher sends me a gentle reminder, apparently showing that at least it's not a mere machine which has decided to solicit my assistance. This time I did click on one of their links and now see that authors wishing to publish in the journal Religions need to pay an amount of 550 CHF in 'Article Processing Charges' (APC); I don't know whether editors receive any payment for their work, but since no mention of such payment has been made I expect there is none.
I am curious whether others have received such offers, and whether there might be reason not to be as negatively prejudiced as I am. More generally, I wonder how many of you have actually published work and paid APC to get your work published. I have never been asked to do so, and wonder why anyone might feel compelled to do so as long as there are still fine journals which don't ask any such fees and impose very low barriers to access.
Best wishes,
Arlo GriffithsEFEO, Paris
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