Dear Artur, as far as I know, both articles (AS/AS and JICPBS) are freely available. Just google. Herman

Herman Tieken
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Verzonden: woensdag 21 november 2018 1:37
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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

Dear Professors, 

John S. Strong's "Relics of the Buddha" is slightly earlier (2004) than both the papers you mention (2009). I do not have access to  them. Do they bring any new data re the funeral ceremony of the Buddha - as described and discussed in detail by Strong? 

If you, by any chance, possess the PDFs of them, I'd be extremely grateful for the opportunity to read them

The sudden appearance of the iron tub in the MPSutta (808, 811) raises the question of its original purpose. When filled with oil - couldn't it be used to quench iron?

Respects, 

Artur Karp


wt., 20 lis 2018 o 23:02 Walter Slaje <slaje@kabelmail.de> napisaù(a):
> frying him like french fries

those who are never averse to joking yet take a more serious interest in this matter are advised to study the paper of Oskar von Hinüber: Cremated Like a King. The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural Context. JICPBS 13. 2009, pp. 33-66.

Regards, WS

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Am Di., 20. Nov. 2018 um 18:39 Uhr schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>:
Dear Artur,
I assume you know Johannes Bronkhorst's article in AS/EA LXIII/I (2009), pp. 7-27, "Hendrik Kern and the body of the Buddha"
I think it is very unlikely that the Buddha's body, or that of any other king (Daúaratha in Râm 2.60.12-14, 2.70.4) was laid down in a tub filled with hot oil, frying him like french fries. We are dealing with a process of embalming.

Herman


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Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni. 

Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?

Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?

Artur Karp (ret)
Chair of South Asian Studies, 
University of Warsaw
Poland
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