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3. Ardhamagadhi pavitthara, Sanskrit pravistara 'property'?
(DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE)
4. Re: Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharya (David and Nancy Reigle)
5. Re: Ardhamagadhi pavitthara, Sanskrit pravistara 'property'?
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6. Re: Ardhamagadhi pavitthara, Sanskrit pravistara 'property'?
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fw: Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharyaDear Alakendu Das,Best regards,
Since the story of Maṇḍana Miśra becoming Sureśvara is only found in some religious biographies of Śaṅkarācārya, we cannot know for certain whether it is fact or fiction. Therefore some scholars have tried to determine this by comparing the writings of Maṇḍana Miśra and Sureśvara, and finding references to them in other writings.
The first person to call into question the accepted tradition of their identity seems to have been M. Hiriyanna in two articles, “Suresvara and Mandana-Misra,” published in The Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, 1923, pp. 259-263, and 1924, pp. 96-97. After some intervening articles on this topic by others, S. Kuppuswami Sastri, in his long English Introduction to his 1937 Sanskrit edition of Brahmasiddhi of Ācārya Maṇḍanamiśra, pp. xxiv-lvii, provided considerably more evidence that the two are different individuals. Yet in the Foreword to that same 1937 book, pp. vi-ix, P. P. Subrahmanya Sastri countered this evidence and maintained the traditional identity of the two. The debate has continued ever since. Suffice it to give two examples.
R. Balasubramanian in his article, “Identity of Maṇḍanamiśra” (Journal of the American Oriental Society, vol. 82, 1962, pp. 522-532), did not accept as definitive Kuppuswami Sastri’s evidence that the two are different individuals. He concluded, p. 532: “We can settle this question only if there is more definite evidence than we have at present in favour of either of the two views.”
Allan Wright Thrasher in his book, The Advaita Vedānta of Brahma-siddhi (Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1993), wrote, p. 121: “I do not wish here to reopen the debate on Maṇḍana’s identity with Sureśvara, which I consider to have been settled once for all against their identity by Kuppuswami Sastri in his introduction to the BS.” Thrasher gives a bibliography of the debate in note 36 on pp. 155-156, with fuller references found in the Bibliography to his book, including dates of publication. He also counters Balasubramanian’s article in note 37, pp. 156-157.
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To All,
Can anybody may kindly enlighten me on the question as to whether the names Mandan Misra and
SureshwarAcharya refer to the same person.? History has to say that Mandan Misra engaged himself in an
ardous argumentation with Shankaracahrya ,while utimately accepting defeat, and was Re christened as
SureshwaraAcharaya. Is this fact or fiction?
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharya
Dr.David and Nancy Ringley,
Thank you very much for your very very illuminating answer.I wish I would be able to make a search for Kuppuswamy's article.
Alakendu Das.
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fw: Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharyaDear Alakendu Das,Best regards,
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>Since the story of Maṇḍana Miśra becoming Sureśvara is only found in some religious biographies of Śaṅkarācārya, we cannot know for certain whether it is fact or fiction. Therefore some scholars have tried to determine this by comparing the writings of Maṇḍana Miśra and Sureśvara, and finding references to them in other writings.
The first person to call into question the accepted tradition of their identity seems to have been M. Hiriyanna in two articles, “Suresvara and Mandana-Misra,” published in The Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, 1923, pp. 259-263, and 1924, pp. 96-97. After some intervening articles on this topic by others, S. Kuppuswami Sastri, in his long English Introduction to his 1937 Sanskrit edition of Brahmasiddhi of Ācārya Maṇḍanamiśra, pp. xxiv-lvii, provided considerably more evidence that the two are different individuals. Yet in the Foreword to that same 1937 book, pp. vi-ix, P. P. Subrahmanya Sastri countered this evidence and maintained the traditional identity of the two. The debate has continued ever since. Suffice it to give two examples.
R. Balasubramanian in his article, “Identity of Maṇḍanamiśra” (Journal of the American Oriental Society, vol. 82, 1962, pp. 522-532), did not accept as definitive Kuppuswami Sastri’s evidence that the two are different individuals. He concluded, p. 532: “We can settle this question only if there is more definite evidence than we have at present in favour of either of the two views.”
Allan Wright Thrasher in his book, The Advaita Vedānta of Brahma-siddhi (Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1993), wrote, p. 121: “I do not wish here to reopen the debate on Maṇḍana’s identity with Sureśvara, which I consider to have been settled once for all against their identity by Kuppuswami Sastri in his introduction to the BS.” Thrasher gives a bibliography of the debate in note 36 on pp. 155-156, with fuller references found in the Bibliography to his book, including dates of publication. He also counters Balasubramanian’s article in note 37, pp. 156-157.
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> Can anybody may kindly enlighten me on the question as to whether the names Mandan Misra and
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> ardous argumentation with Shankaracahrya ,while utimately accepting defeat, and was Re christened as
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ardhamagadhi pavitthara, Sanskrit pravistara 'property'?
Dear list members,
Is anyone familiar with the term pavitthara in Ardhamāgadhī or with its presumed Sanskrit etymon pravistara in the sense of 'property'? I am interested in understanding a recurring description of wealth in the Uvāsagadasāo that one encounters for the first time in 1.4 (1.17, etc.) in connection to one wealthy Āṇanda. The passage goes as follows in Hoernle's 1890 edition (p.3, lines 4-7):
tassa ṇaṃ āṇandassa gāhāvaïssa cattāri hiraṇakoḍio nihāṇapaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio vaḍḍhipaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio pavittharapaüttāo [...] hotthā
[roughly: atha tasya ānandasya gṛhapateś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo nidhānaprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo vṛddhiprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyaḥ pravistaraprayuktāḥ [...] abhavan]
"The householder (banker/capitalist/businessman) Ānanda had four crores of gold put in deposit, four crores of gold put on interest, and four crores of gold put into pavittha"
In his translation, Hoernle renders pavittha as 'well-stocked estate' and invokes the following gloss from the Sanskrit commentary: 'property consisting of treasure, grain, two-footed animals (incl. servants), four-footed animals, etc' (p.8, n.12). Ratnacandra Muni's "Illustrated Ardhamāgadhī Dictionary" gives 'property,' but none of the occurrences that he mentions clarifies much its meaning as far as I have been able to tell.
The triad might well read as "cash+debts+property," but I would like to know how likely is 'property' as a meaning for this word instead of the well attested 'extent, circumference.' I wonder if the lexeme vi-√stṛ might have some technical meaning that eludes me and if pavitthara is soemwhat related to the compound vistīrṇaviśālaparigraha 'with extended and wide property' that occurs in similarly stereotyped descriptions of wealth in the Mūlasarvāstivādavinaya and derived narrative collections, and that might refer to land. Land (khetta), however, is separately treated in the list of Āṇanda's assets in a later passage (1.19). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
namaskaromi,
Diego
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharyaDear Alakendu Das,
S. Kuppuswami Sastri’s 1937 edition of Brahmasiddhi of Ācārya Maṇḍanamiśra has been scanned by the Digital Library of India and is available at Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/
BrahmasiddhiByAcaryaMandanamis raKuppuswamiSastri The entire section of S. Kuppuswami Sastri’s Introduction on this question, pp. xxiv-lvii, has also been published separately as an article, “Maṇḍana-Sureśvara Equation in the History of Advaita,” Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, vol. 18, 1937, pp. 121-157. It is now available at JSTOR.
Best regards,
David Reigle
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:59 PM, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas@rediffmail.com > wrote:Dr.David and Nancy Ringley,
Thank you very much for your very very illuminating answer.I wish I would be able to make a search for Kuppuswamy's article.
Alakendu Das.
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Fw: Mandan Misra -SureshwarAcharyaDear Alakendu Das,Best regards,
>
>Since the story of Maṇḍana Miśra becoming Sureśvara is only found in some religious biographies of Śaṅkarācārya, we cannot know for certain whether it is fact or fiction. Therefore some scholars have tried to determine this by comparing the writings of Maṇḍana Miśra and Sureśvara, and finding references to them in other writings.
The first person to call into question the accepted tradition of their identity seems to have been M. Hiriyanna in two articles, “Suresvara and Mandana-Misra,” published in The Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, 1923, pp. 259-263, and 1924, pp. 96-97. After some intervening articles on this topic by others, S. Kuppuswami Sastri, in his long English Introduction to his 1937 Sanskrit edition of Brahmasiddhi of Ācārya Maṇḍanamiśra, pp. xxiv-lvii, provided considerably more evidence that the two are different individuals. Yet in the Foreword to that same 1937 book, pp. vi-ix, P. P. Subrahmanya Sastri countered this evidence and maintained the traditional identity of the two. The debate has continued ever since. Suffice it to give two examples.
R. Balasubramanian in his article, “Identity of Maṇḍanamiśra” (Journal of the American Oriental Society, vol. 82, 1962, pp. 522-532), did not accept as definitive Kuppuswami Sastri’s evidence that the two are different individuals. He concluded, p. 532: “We can settle this question only if there is more definite evidence than we have at present in favour of either of the two views.”
Allan Wright Thrasher in his book, The Advaita Vedānta of Brahma-siddhi (Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1993), wrote, p. 121: “I do not wish here to reopen the debate on Maṇḍana’s identity with Sureśvara, which I consider to have been settled once for all against their identity by Kuppuswami Sastri in his introduction to the BS.” Thrasher gives a bibliography of the debate in note 36 on pp. 155-156, with fuller references found in the Bibliography to his book, including dates of publication. He also counters Balasubramanian’s article in note 37, pp. 156-157.
>
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>David Reigle
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> Can anybody may kindly enlighten me on the question as to whether the names Mandan Misra and
> SureshwarAcharya refer to the same person.? History has to say that Mandan Misra engaged himself in an
> ardous argumentation with Shankaracahrya ,while utimately accepting defeat, and was Re christened as
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Ardhamagadhi pavitthara, Sanskrit pravistara 'property'?
Dear Diego
a similar description in the Vasudevahiṇḍi (Vh) is probably helpful?
See Vh p. 144 lines 24-26
Heiner
Am 25.03.2018 um 01:49 schrieb DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE via INDOLOGY:
Dear list members,
Is anyone familiar with the term pavitthara in Ardhamāgadhī or with its presumed Sanskrit etymon pravistara in the sense of 'property'? I am interested in understanding a recurring description of wealth in the Uvāsagadasāo that one encounters for the first time in 1.4 (1.17, etc.) in connection to one wealthy Āṇanda. The passage goes as follows in Hoernle's 1890 edition (p.3, lines 4-7):
tassa ṇaṃ āṇandassa gāhāvaïssa cattāri hiraṇakoḍio nihāṇapaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio vaḍḍhipaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio pavittharapaüttāo [...] hotthā
[roughly: atha tasya ānandasya gṛhapateś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo nidhānaprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo vṛddhiprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyaḥ pravistaraprayuktāḥ [...] abhavan]
"The householder (banker/capitalist/businessman) Ānanda had four crores of gold put in deposit, four crores of gold put on interest, and four crores of gold put into pavittha"
In his translation, Hoernle renders pavittha as 'well-stocked estate' and invokes the following gloss from the Sanskrit commentary: 'property consisting of treasure, grain, two-footed animals (incl. servants), four-footed animals, etc' (p.8, n.12). Ratnacandra Muni's "Illustrated Ardhamāgadhī Dictionary" gives 'property,' but none of the occurrences that he mentions clarifies much its meaning as far as I have been able to tell.
The triad might well read as "cash+debts+property," but I would like to know how likely is 'property' as a meaning for this word instead of the well attested 'extent, circumference.' I wonder if the lexeme vi-√stṛ might have some technical meaning that eludes me and if pavitthara is soemwhat related to the compound vistīrṇaviśālaparigraha 'with extended and wide property' that occurs in similarly stereotyped descriptions of wealth in the Mūlasarvāstivādavinaya and derived narrative collections, and that might refer to land. Land (khetta), however, is separately treated in the list of Āṇanda's assets in a later passage (1.19). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
namaskaromi,
Diego
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Dear Diego,The Āgamaśabdakośa (Ladnun) refers to quite a number of instances of pavitthara. I have looked at only one, Sūyagaḍa 2.2.58, which gives a long list of items concluded by pavittara-vihīo. Maybe you should have a closer look at the instances referred to in this word index.Kind regards, Herman
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Dear Diego
a similar description in the Vasudevahiṇḍi (Vh) is probably helpful?
See Vh p. 144 lines 24-26
Heiner
Am 25.03.2018 um 01:49 schrieb DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE via INDOLOGY:
Dear list members,
Is anyone familiar with the term pavitthara in Ardhamāgadhī or with its presumed Sanskrit etymon pravistara in the sense of 'property'? I am interested in understanding a recurring description of wealth in the Uvāsagadasāo that one encounters for the first time in 1.4 (1.17, etc.) in connection to one wealthy Āṇanda. The passage goes as follows in Hoernle's 1890 edition (p.3, lines 4-7):
tassa ṇaṃ āṇandassa gāhāvaïssa cattāri hiraṇakoḍio nihāṇapaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio vaḍḍhipaüttāo, cattāri hiraṇakoḍio pavittharapaüttāo [...] hotthā
[roughly: atha tasya ānandasya gṛhapateś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo nidhānaprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyo vṛddhiprayuktāś catasro hiraṇyakoṭyaḥ pravistaraprayuktāḥ [...] abhavan]
"The householder (banker/capitalist/businessman) Ānanda had four crores of gold put in deposit, four crores of gold put on interest, and four crores of gold put into pavittha"
In his translation, Hoernle renders pavittha as 'well-stocked estate' and invokes the following gloss from the Sanskrit commentary: 'property consisting of treasure, grain, two-footed animals (incl. servants), four-footed animals, etc' (p.8, n.12). Ratnacandra Muni's "Illustrated Ardhamāgadhī Dictionary" gives 'property,' but none of the occurrences that he mentions clarifies much its meaning as far as I have been able to tell.
The triad might well read as "cash+debts+property," but I would like to know how likely is 'property' as a meaning for this word instead of the well attested 'extent, circumference.' I wonder if the lexeme vi-√stṛ might have some technical meaning that eludes me and if pavitthara is soemwhat related to the compound vistīrṇaviśālaparigraha 'with extended and wide property' that occurs in similarly stereotyped descriptions of wealth in the Mūlasarvāstivādavinaya and derived narrative collections, and that might refer to land. Land (khetta), however, is separately treated in the list of Āṇanda's assets in a later passage (1.19). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
namaskaromi,
Diego
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