Remember the Indian magazine, Eve’s Weekly?

Regards,
Palaniappan

On Oct 19, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:


From: Allen Thrasher <alanus1216@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sexual Harassment
Date: October 19, 2016 at 4:03:56 PM CDT
To: patrick mccartney <psdmccartney@gmail.com>, Walter Slaje <slaje@kabelmail.de>
Cc: indology <indology@list.indology.info>
Reply-To: "alanus1216@yahoo.com" <alanus1216@yahoo.com>


There was much concern about Eve-teasing both in the national and the local (Poona Herald) English-language press during my first stay in India in 1969 and 1970, and it was never blamed on the young women, so I doubt the use of "Eve" was meant to insinuate they were temptresses and thus to put the responsibility on them.  It was considered a serious matter.  On the other hand the press never mentioned it's going beyond words, unlike the present.  One sometime read of the girls' brothers getting their friends together to physically chastise the offenders.

I am on the road and do not have access to an OED or a history of slang, so cannot check whether "Eve" was used earlier as a colloquialism for "woman" or "girl," but it might be worth a look.

Was the British woman's magazine "Eve" widely distributed in the subcontinent?

Eve might be a model of being a temptress, but she is the mother of us all and therefore also a metonym for womanhood in general, without any disparagement.

It is not particularly surprising that S. Asians should go outside Bharatavarsa for an image of womanhood as such, since they have undergone more than two centuries of intense British and Christian influence - and for that matter more than a millenium of influence from Islam, in which Eve also figures.  

Also the figure of the first woman does not play as prominent a role in the Hindu origin stories as Eve in the Abrahamic.

Finally, I read somewhere that one of the earlier American ambassadors to India (I think I read this during my first stay) said that there was no country in the world that he would feel safer for his daughter to travel alone in than India.  It doesn't sound like this is true any more.  Or was he deceived at the time, the 50s or 60s?

Yours,

Allen



On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:55 AM, patrick mccartney
The term 'eve teasing' apparently was first used in the 1960s. Although I have never been able to find out by whom it was coined. The answer is in part found here: "Eve teasing" is used in India to refer to a wide variety of behaviour including molestation, "flashing" or any verbal/physical sexual street harassment that falls short of rape.

But this from wikipedia sums it up: According to them, considering the semantic roots of the term in Indian English, Eve teasing refers to the temptress nature of Eve, placing responsibility on the woman as a tease.[10]

More importantly, it represents the 'woman as “temptress” who was complicit in her own downfall... [and] is actually a denial that it is sexual violence'.

Also, the term is not found in the Indian Penal Code. 

I don't know, but perhaps it has something to do with the perception that 'rape' etc occurs in 'India' and not 'Bhārat' as RSS ideologue Mohan Bhagwat is fond of saying.  And that it is because it is perceived as a cultural import from Abrahamic religions that have 'dominated' and 'enslaved' the region for several centuries. Ultimately, this anti-social behaviour is perceived as a result of 'Western values' and not a local practice. It is considered a colonial byproduct. This helps create a moral panic to stimulate an anti-western agenda. A return to 'core/true' Indian values is considered the answer to this problem. At least in the eyes of the Sangh Parivar.

 Perhaps this is a result of the final stage of Srinivas' Sanskritization theory, i.e. Westernization? Bhagwat further qualified his essentialised remark stating that the 'pure village' is devoid of assaults but the sullied (i.e. Westernised) urban centres are where assaults occur.  





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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Walter Slaje <slaje@kabelmail.de> wrote:

I am sorry the diacritics I use for vedic accents and the hácek (inverted circumflex) never show in my emails. This is beyond my control. My apologies for the inconvenience.

 

I was also reminded that the thread is „sexual harrassment“, not „rape“ in the strict sense. This is correct. Might I, with your permission, then add the innocent question why public sexual harrassment in India is widely known as „Eve teasing“?

The vast majority of victims are Indian girls. So, why an English – but not an Indian – forename to designate a crime committed by male Indian youth gangs against Indian women?

I have never quite understood the background of this bizarre denomination. I am afraid in this particular case attempts at linking it to the premodern past of India are bound to fail. Are there any explanations on offer?

 

Yours, cluelessly,

WS



2016-10-17 22:25 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp@uw.edu.pl>:
> Iva Fiser

Let's please retain Prof. Ivo Fišer's Czech family name.

Artur K.  

2016-10-17 22:17 GMT+02:00 farkhondeh iran via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info>:
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From: farkhondeh iran <iran_farkhondeh@yahoo.fr>
To: Walter Slaje <slaje@kabelmail.de>
Cc: Nityanand Misra <nmisra@gmail.com>, indology <indology@list.indology.info>
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:16:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sexual Harassment

If I may again, I agree with Prof. Slaje on the danger of anachronism and the need to go back to the Sanskrit words. The word kanyā-dūṣaṇa does not occur in KSS XII, 2, 105 cd but the Sanskrit is crystal-clear: it is a case of abuse as the girl is not willing and as the vidyādhara has undertaken to abduct her by force. 


upetya tām anicchantīm haṭhād dhartum pravṛttavān, KSS XII, 2, 105, cd

I. Farkhondeh

Le 17 oct. 2016 à 21:54, Walter Slaje <slaje@kabelmail.de> a écrit :

Before rashly jumping to a discussion of “rape” by tacitly presupposing a 21st century Western understanding of its concept and performance also for ancient India, a clarification is required of the concept(s) of “rape” prevailing in premodern Indian thought. What unambiguous words and matching notions have so far been recorded that would correspond to "rape" in accordance with modern Western standards? What normative boundaries of, e.g., “legal” types of marriage such as rākṣasa and piśāca – clear cases of “rape” in Western terms I suppose – needed to be transgressed that facts of rape would have been considered as fulfilled in premodern India? Was kanyā-dūṣaṇa the same as “rape” in our understanding, or simply the spoiling of a virgin so that she could no longer be married off and became a serious damage to her parents?

In what way can the absolute power a husband would have exercised over his wife (or wives) be categorised in contexts of "rape"?

Is there any connecting factor of the past that could be related to the extraordinarily high number of filed gang rape cases in present-day India as continuously reported by the Indian media? In this latter regard, a good starting point could perhaps be Gyula Wojtilla's "Women at Work and Their Enemies. A Reappraisal of the Kāmasūtra V, 5, 5 – 10" (I lack the bibliographic citation of his paper at the moment).


In a more general sense, BĀU (M) VI 4,7 could also be revealing, if just ati-√kram is not understood in line with Śaṅkara’s unconvincing attempts at downplaying the matter, but in accordance with Iva Fiser's „overcome her forcibly“ (Indian Erotics of the Oldest Period, Praha 1966: 116, a book not without its merits).


Regards,

WS


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2016-10-17 20:08 GMT+02:00 Nityanand Misra <nmisra@gmail.com>:

On 17 October 2016 at 22:48, Artur Karp <karp@uw.edu.pl> wrote:
Dear All, 

Should I understand that there are no traces, no mentions of sexual harrasment in the entire - vast - corpus of ancient/medieval Indian literature?



A search for rape as the Text Word in the Puranic Encylopedia under http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.un i-koeln.de/scans/PEScan/2014/w eb/webtc2/index.php shows up the following:

Rape of Rambhā by Rāvaṇa (VR, UK).
Rape [sic] of Vedavatī by Rāvaṇa (VR, UK). In the VR, it is harassment but not rape. Probably the rape is described in some other R.
Rape of Madanamañjarī by Rāvaṇa (source?)
Rape of Cañcalākṣī by Rāvaṇa (KambaR)
Rape of Arā, daughter of Śukra, by Daṇḍa (VR UK)
Rape of Ugrasena's wife by the Gandharva Dramila (SB, 10th Canto)
Attempt to rape Vinayavatī by Raṅgamālī (Kathāsaritsāgara)
Attempt to rape Pramati by Nala, friend of Sudeva (Mārkaṇḍeya Purāṇa)
 

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