Just a brief follow-up regarding Bronkhorst's work, since I am one of the individuals whose work Bronkhorst cites as significantly misunderstanding the import of the "early" Upanisadic formulations of karma (see, The Vedic Origins of Karma, 1989, a revision of my dissertation).

Bronkhorst's work views the Indian texts as well as the assorted strands of Buddhism, Jainism, and Vedic thought with a deep chronological (a term that occurs frequently in the work) bias. Personally, I find many of his arguments compelling, and I consider his work ground-breaking (this is a notoriously difficult realm to penetrate; Witzel, too, has made significant strides here). 

My argument, however, was made on a quite different basis. Following the type of work that I (as a graduate student) believed Heesterman was engaged in, I sought out conceptual (not chronological) origins; that is, I wanted to see what Vedic concepts could be "unearthed" within the representation of karma in the Upanishads; in other words, to get a sense of the Vedic framework--which is stated in fairly clear terms throughout the Satapatha Brahmana in particular (as discussed in my work)--on which karma hangs in the Upanishads (in this, there are some implicit chronological assumptions of "early and late").  As I view the project now, I recall some Durkheim-ian influences as I considered the Upanishads, and their doctrines, as having to be meaningful within a "collective consciousness" of Indian thought that encompassed the Vedic period broadly (again, not as a matter of chronology, but as a matter of discourse).

with regards,

Herman Tull

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not sure what you specifically wish to discuss, but I dare to attach here something which I wrote on Bronkhorst's book which, I believe, begins to engage some of his ideas...

Jonathan

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Artur Karp <karp@uw.edu.pl> wrote:
> a bit to start a discussion? ;)

Frankly?

Quite frankly - I'd rather prefer following the discussion on the contents of Prof. Bronkhorst's paper. 

Or - is there somewhere a trace of the Buddhologists' (Historians of India, Historians of Indian Literature) reaction to its theses?

Best, 

Artur Karp

2016-04-11 9:42 GMT+02:00 Roland Steiner <steiner@staff.uni-marburg.de>:
In support of Prof. Silk's remarks I would like to point to the following short paper by Claudius Naumann:

"Versiegende Quellen. Einige Anmerkungen über den Sinn und Unsinn von Internet-Verweisen in wissenschaftlichen Arbeiten". In: Zeitschrift der deutschen morgenländischen Gesellschaft 162.2 (2012), pp. 460-464.

Best,
Roland Steiner



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